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Show me the evidence of the totals of the expenditures.

I think the numbers are either made up, flawed, or otherwise conveniently gathered.

If you can show me that is how much Kerry has proposed spending, I'd be obliged.


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Show me the evidence of the totals of the expenditures.

I think the numbers are either made up, flawed, or otherwise conveniently gathered.

If you can show me that is how much Kerry has proposed spending, I'd be obliged.

I already have shown you.



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What evidence is that? The GOP web-site which has a bunch of numbers that could have been pulled out of its ass for all you've shown me?


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What evidence is that? The GOP web-site which has a bunch of numbers that could have been pulled out of its ass for all you've shown me?

Can you show me one proposal by Kerry to cut spending, other than to slash Intelligence or Defense?



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To "propose" something is to wish it to happen.
Exactly. I wished to be a football player, but I'm suck as a web designer. Damn NFL.

Candidates wish for a lot of things to happen when they're campaigning. I'd like to quote George Bush Sr.: "Read my lips: no new taxes." Remember that? Well, that proposition didn't work out so well.
  
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Exactly. I wished to be a football player, but I'm suck as a web designer. Damn NFL.

Candidates wish for a lot of things to happen when they're campaigning. I'd like to quote George Bush Sr.: "Read my lips: no new taxes." Remember that? Well, that proposition didn't work out so well.
Yes, so when we look at what Kerry has proposed, we can use logic to forsee what might actually happen if he were elected, right?

Bush raised taxes and was not reelected. Kerry wants to raise taxes, and will not be elected. Americans don't like taxes, it seems.



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So he's lying then?
Who doesn't lie?


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Who doesn't lie?

Bush followed through with his campaign promises.



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Bush also lied.

Everyone has lied.


There is no escaping lies.

So says Janus.


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Bush also lied.

Everyone has lied.


There is no escaping lies.

So says Janus.


Where did Bush lie?



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Can you show me one proposal by Kerry to cut spending, other than to slash Intelligence or Defense?
Thank you for showing me your evidence.


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Yes, so when we look at what Kerry has proposed, we can use logic to forsee what might actually happen if he were elected, right?

Bush raised taxes and was not reelected. Kerry wants to raise taxes, and will not be elected. Americans don't like taxes, it seems.
Well, if Kerry goes against his proposals like Bush did, then wouldn't that be a good thing? Logic doesn't work in your favor in that post.

I also don't remember saying that Kerry would win. However, I do know there are a lot of Bush haters out there. I'm sure that whatever happens, it will be Nader's fault.
  
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Where did Bush lie?
http://darkforum.com/showthread.php?t=40861


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Thank you.


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http://www.bushwatch.com/bushlies.htm


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Thank you for showing me your evidence.
You are welcome.



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Well, if Kerry goes against his proposals like Bush did, then wouldn't that be a good thing? Logic doesn't work in your favor in that post.

I also don't remember saying that Kerry would win. However, I do know there are a lot of Bush haters out there. I'm sure that whatever happens, it will be Nader's fault.


Kerry has a long record of spending. I doubt he'll go back on that.



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I looked at a few, and they are ridiculous charges. Do you have any credible sources, like news stories that we can debate?



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Those have been disputed, and are not lies.

Do you have a specific instance you can point out?



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