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Jordyn · **hillary or arnold -** 02-28-05

i was watching headline news last night, and they had a few people who suggested hillary clinton would be a strong candidate for the next presidency...and i decided i would more than likely vote for her...i mean, she was with clinton, and she's apparantly a very skilled female politician...

but then they switched concerning changing the laws prohibiting non americans from becoming president, and refrenced arnold, even though he states it's not an interest he has at this time...

so who would you vote for...for me it would indeed be a tough call, because...anyone would be better than bush, and both seem to be capable politicians that i'm rather fond of...

i guess in this case it would come down to the issues for me...how about you?

i voted for hillary, just so i can see what others would vote, it would really be a difficult choice for me.

PtownP · 02-28-05

Well, I just got this e-mail from my grandmother.

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Now here's some interesting reading.

Secret Service Comments

We had a neighbor when I lived in DC who was part of the secret service
presidential detail for many years. His stories of Kennedy and Johnson were
the same as those I heard from the guys who flew the presidents' plane ---

[yes, Kennedy did have Marilyn Monroe flown in for secret "dates," and LBJ
was a typical Texas "good ol boy" womanizer. Nixon, Bush 41, and Carter
never cheated on their wives. Clinton cheated, but couldn't match Kennedy or
LBJ in style or variety.]

The information below is accurate. Former Pres. Bush Sr. and the current
president Bush make it a point to thank and take care of the aircrews who
fly them around

[When the president flies, there are several planes that also go -- one
carries the armored limo, another the security detail, plus usually a press
aircraft] and both Bush's made it a point to stay home on holidays, so these
Air Force and security people could have a day with their families.

(WHAT WAS, WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN, AND WHAT IS)

WHAT WAS:

Hillary Clinton was arrogant and vocally abusive to her security detail. She
forbade her daughter, Chelsea, from exchanging pleasantries with them.
Sometimes Chelsea, miffed at her mother's obvious conceit and mean
spiritedness ignored her demands and exchanged pleasantries regardless, but
never in her mother's presence. Chelsea really was a nice, kindhearted, and
lovely young lady. The consensus opinion was that Chelsea loved her Mom but
did not like her.

Hillary Clinton was continuously rude and abrasive to those who were charged
to protect her life. Her security detail dutifully did their job, as
professionals should, but they all "loathed" her and wanted to be on a
different detail. She was hard work because she was so nasty and mean toward
her detail. Hillary Clinton was uniformly despised by the Secret Service as
a whole.

Former President Bill Clinton was much more amiable than his wife Hillary.
Often the Secret Service would cringe at the verbal attack antics that
Hillary would use against her husband, the then President. They were
embarrassed for his sake by the manner and frequency in which she verbally
insulted him, sometimes in the presence of the Secret Service, and sometimes
behind closed doors. Even behind closed doors Hillary Clinton would scream
and yell so loudly that everyone could hear what she was saying.

Many felt sorry for President Clinton and most people wondered why he
tolerated it instead of just divorcing his "attack dog" wife. It was crystal
clear that the Clintons neither liked nor respected each other and was true
long before the Monica Lewinsky scandal. Theirs was genuinely a "marriage of
convenience."

Chelsea was much closer to her father than her mother, even after the
Lewinsky scandal which hurt her gravely. Bill Clinton did in fact have
"charisma," and occasionally would smile at or shake hands with his security
detail. Still, he always displayed an obvious air of superiority towards
them. His security detail uniformly believed him to be disingenuous, false,
and that he did nothing without a motive that in some way would enhance his
image and political career. They did respect him, unlike his wife, but they
did not particularly like him and nobody trusted him. He was polite, but not
kind.

WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN:

Al Gore was the male version of Hillary Clinton. They were more friendly
toward each other than either of them were towards former President Clinton.
They were not intimate, so please don't read that in . They were very close
in a political way. Tipper Gore was generally nice and pleasant. She
initially liked Hillary but soon after the election she had her "pegged" and
no longer liked her or associated with her except for events that were
politically obligatory.

Al Gore was far more left wing and very hateful, not just politically
opposed, to Republicans than Clinton. Al Gore resented Bill Clinton and
thought he was too "centrist." He despised all Republicans. His hatred was
bitter and this was long before he announced for the Presidency. This bitter
hatred was something that he and Hillary had very much in common. They often
said as much, even in the presence of their security detail. Neither of them
trusted Bill Clinton and, the Secret Service opined, neither of them even
liked Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton did have some good qualities where Al Gore
and Hillary had none in the view of their security details.

Al Gore, like Hillary, was very rude and arrogant toward his security
detail. He was extremely unappreciative and would not hesitate to scold them
in the presence of their peers for minor details over which they had no
control. Al Gore also looked down on them in disgust as they finally
observed and learned with certainty on one occasion when Al Gore got angry
at his offspring and loudly, in their presence, pointed at his security
detail and said, "Do you want to grow up and be like them?!?"

Word of this insulting and demeaning verbiage by the former Vice-president
quickly spread and he became as despised and disliked by the Secret Service
as Hillary. Most of them prayed that Al Gore would not be elected President
and they really did have private small celebrations in a few of their homes
after President Bush won. This was not necessarily to celebrate President
Bush's election, but to celebrate Al Gore's defeat. He was much dis liked.
Al Gore was not a good and kind person. That he could have been our
President may suggest that God was "answering prayers" and looking out for
the country with Al Gore's defeat.

WHAT IS:

Everyone in the Secret Service wants to be on First Lady Laura Bush's
detail. Without exception, they uniformly concede that she is perhaps the
most nice kind, and genuinely good person they have ever had the privilege
of serving. Where Hillary patently refused to allow her picture to be taken
with her security detail, Laura Bush doesn't even have to be asked, she
offers.

She doesn't just shake their hand and say, "Thank you." Very often, she will
give members of her detail a kindhearted hug to express her appreciation.
There is nothing false about her. This is her genuine nature. Laura Bush
really is this kind of a person and her security detail considers her to be
a "breath of fresh air." They actually love her as a human being.

They joke that comparing Laura Bush with Hillary Clinton is like comparing
"Mother Teresa" with the "Wicked Witch of the North."

Likewise, the Secret Service considers President Bush to be a gem of a man
to work for. He always treats them with genuine respect and he always trusts
and listens to their expert advice. They really like the Crawford, Texas
detail. Every time the president goes to Crawford he has a Bar-B-Que for his
security detail and he helps in serving them their meals. He eats with them,
sits with them, and talks with them. He always asks about their family, the
names of which he always remembers, and he of course, knows each of them by
their first name, and calls them by their first name as a show of affection.

They believe that he actually loves his security detail and that he is
deeply and genuinely appreciative of their service. They could not like,
love, or respect anyone m ore than President Bush, and most of them did not
know they would feel this way until they had an opportunity to work for him
and learn that his manner was genuine and consistent. It has never changed
in the time that he has been President. He always treats them with the
utmost respect, kindness, and compassion.

That alone is almost enough to not vote for Hillary. In all honesty, I would vote for someone else, because...
1) Arnold is a democrat in disguise. Fooled us Republicans big time.
2) Hollywood's influence needs to stay the hell out of the political process.

Hillary is a dem., would vote for her only under the most extreme of circumstances.

Jordyn · 02-28-05

considering i had to sign a gag type of order for working at blockbuster, i'm sure the secret service are stuck with the same...orders...unless there's actual proof it's from the secret service and not just an email grandmothers mail to each other...how do we know any of that is accurate?

Synikul · 02-28-05

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Originally Posted by Jordyn

i was watching headline news last night,.

That was your first mistake.

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and they had a few people who suggested hillary clinton would be a strong candidate for the next presidency...and i decided i would more than likely vote for her...i mean, she was with clinton, and she's apparantly a very skilled female politician...

I've called the Clintons many things, and many insults apply to them. Stupid, and unskilled are NOT among them. I have immense respect for both of them based solely on their talent as politicians.

Bill is currently trying to get the job as Secretary General of the U.N., while Hillary is starting to sound like a Republican because she knows that's what she has to do to win in 2008.

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but then they switched concerning changing the laws prohibiting non americans from becoming president, and refrenced arnold, even though he states it's not an interest he has at this time...

That's because Sen. Orrin Hatch, the normally sane and rational conservative Republican from Utah, has drafted a constitutional ammendment to change the requirement to run for president from being a natural born citizen to any citizen who has resided in the USA for at least 20 years. He did this with Arny in mind. I could vote for Arny, but after him, the law would still be there, and it is a VERY BAD idea to change the natural born requiremnt.

Uncletiggs · 02-28-05

Heh, I'll vote for Garfield!! Well, If he has Odus as his running mate that is..
And Jon can be thier personal chef!!

Jordyn · 02-28-05

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Originally Posted by Synikul

That was your first mistake.

what's wrong with headline news?

Synikul · 02-28-05

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Originally Posted by Jordyn

what's wrong with headline news?

It's the Communist News Network (CNN)

SourMilkSea · 03-01-05

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Originally Posted by Jordyn

what's wrong with headline news?

If you had any sanity, you would stay away from all of those 24 hour news networks.

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Originally Posted by Synikul

...while Hillary is starting to sound like a Republican because she knows that's what she has to do to win in 2008.

Hillary's always been a moderate, it's just that now conservatives are paying attention to what she is saying. Like with abortion... She's been talking about issues like abortion, illegal immigration and faith for years.

And I don't see why conservatives think that democrats can only win if they turn more like the republican lites that they already are... On the poll though, I say neither.

Iron's Rite · 03-01-05

We should all get together as a forum community and form our own political party.
I'd vote for us.

Jordyn · 03-01-05

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Originally Posted by Iron's Rite

We should all get together as a forum community and form our own political party.
I'd vote for us.

that would be way to disturbing of a president in my opinion...

as for the 24 hour news networks...sometimes they are the only ones i have time for...local news is all about...kidnappings and murders and other...issues that remind me i'm so way living in the wrong state and too close to the afflicted cities for my own safety.

syphilis · 03-01-05

I vote Micheal Jackson.
Free plastic surgery for everyone!

Seriously:

If was an american i wouldn't vote for both of them.
I always knew Hilary was an arrogant bitch,even before PtownP's comment.

Arnold gained most of his because he's a movie star.
Even if he is a skilled politician i'd think the US should be ruled by an american and not by a foreigner.

Synikul · 03-01-05

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Originally Posted by SourMilkSea

Hillary's always been a moderate, it's just that now conservatives are paying attention to what she is saying. Like with abortion... She's been talking about issues like abortion, illegal immigration and faith for years.

A moderate does not try to nationalize the entire health care system.

Kain424 · 03-01-05

I'd vote for Schwarzenegger of course.

SourMilkSea · 03-01-05

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Originally Posted by Synikul

A moderate does not try to nationalize the entire health care system.

Label her with whatever you want, you can't deny though that she has taken fairly moderate positions on what are very important issues to most people... And it hasn't been just recenty.

crimsonnyte · 03-02-05

There are always two sides to an issue, not everyone will be happy, you can't agree completely with someone you just gotta make a choice. I'm sorta indifferent. I always liked Hillary and her politics and as far as I know Arnold hasn't been horrible or a tyrant or anything. The only person that would satisfy me in office might be myself and I'm not even sure about that.

Synikul · 03-02-05

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Originally Posted by crimsonnyte

There are always two sides to an issue, not everyone will be happy, you can't agree completely with someone you just gotta make a choice. I'm sorta indifferent. I always liked Hillary and her politics and as far as I know Arnold hasn't been horrible or a tyrant or anything. The only person that would satisfy me in office might be myself and I'm not even sure about that.

That reminds me of a saying I've heard "The only politician I agree with 100% of the time is me, and I'm not running this year."

Synikul · 03-02-05

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Originally Posted by SourMilkSea

Label her with whatever you want, you can't deny though that she has taken fairly moderate positions on what are very important issues to most people... And it hasn't been just recenty.

You're going to force me to dig up old Hillary quotes, aren't you?

I hate you! Die! Die!

SourMilkSea · 03-02-05

Eh, I could care less, I never thought much of Hillary anyway... I swear, I could count on one hand the actual number of true liberal democrat politicians out there...

...She's still a moderate though