Every other american takes it for granted. And if every employer isnt compensating for lost health benefits, kinda limits your job options to self employment.

just because you want to mooch does not make me a moocher mister. I work, I sweat, I bleed,(cut my finger the other day ), for my bennies. I am not going to toss out 46 every 2 so some old ladies can have coffee and donuts and talk about how fucked management is. The healthcare they provide costs exactly 21.55 per employee per month and they want almost 100 a month from me.

It is not mooching my friend. It is state mandated law. It makes sure that those who prefer to not pay into overblown union funds do not have to but still get the benefits so they are not ostricized.

Um. So do I. Where are my benefits?

Move to Utah. Find a Union work area and get a job Anyone can do it

Ive seen national healthcare in action, as well as every other government program. Its NEVER EVER better than what the private sector can offer. So peddle your fantasy elsewhere.

private sectors offer competition and variety. Government programs never offer either one.

Oh so only people in Utah are entitled to benefits? What you're saying is 46 million uninsured Americans should just... move to Utah?

Surely that's a more viable solution than say... CHANGING THE HEALTH CARE SYSTEM.

would you ask for increased compensation if your employeer no longer provided healthcare? Do you think other people would ask?

And employeers would be happy to pay. Healthcare goes up on average 7% wages go up on average 1-3% there is atleast a 1 to 2% savings in there so it does make sound buisness sense to pay.

you have goverment mandated healthcare that you dont pay for in other words Dyshade = moocher


By the by I have healthcare now I dont need to mooch

hhmmm does the private sector compete with the goverment sector? If it does and does not perform better why would anyone continue to support that private sector company?

Ok. Let me pass this by you one more time. First. Do not call me a moocher I am taking great offense to that and I have offered you none. I am getting sick and tired of this bullshit. Stay on topic.

I pay into medicaid every fucking week. I pay out my ass for a service I do not utilize nor will I ever utilize. So I pay for bums on the street to use emergency rooms. So NO I do not fucking mooch. In a roundabout way I am paying for my medical. They take anywhere from 14-20$$ a WEEK from my paycheck for medishit. I do not feel bad for using my Union benefits that are due TO ME for working at a union store.

I am not a fucking drunk asshole who uses other peoples payments and tax dollars. I OWN a business and pay both state and federal taxxes as well as pay taxxes for my wages from Smiths. I get taxxed seven ways to fucking sunday. A percentage of those taxxes go to WIC, food stamps, and other ill used government aid projects including medical aid. SO NO I do not mooch.

How do you get your medical?? Please explain that.

No. of course not. But government health care will not benefit anyone. What needs to be done is the medicines needed should be brought down to a manageable level so people can afford them. Or generic versions which cost a small percentage of the original should be offered. But the fat cats on top want thier dollars and so you will continue to pay out your ass for them.

Do not shriek at me because they want to charge you an arm and a leg. Start a grass roots movement to bring those costs down.

50-75% taxation does not sound like a viable alternative.

I ask you again.

What do you suggest we do to make it economically viable??? If you can come up with a good idea I might agree.

I have. But all of you are selfish and unwilling to put forth an extra 3% of your paycheck to help out the millions that aren't as lucky as you are. I even suggested ways to minimize the mooching and set it up almost the same way private health care is set up now.

I'm not shrieking at anyone. And I resent the implication.

I can't start a grass roots movement to bring the costs down, because only a very tiny percentage of people in my position are uninsured. And an even tinier percentage take the same medication I do. It's not Valium we're talking about.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but maybe you should become a mooch. Quit your job, and go on medicaid.

By calling you a moocher (if I truly am insulting you I am sorry) iam making a point you get angry that you pay medicare tax so some bum can get healthcare and yet on the other hand you proclaim how you dont have to pay for your healthcare because some union members are footing the bill. I ask do you think it bothers them that they are paying for your healhtcare in the same way you are paying for the bums?

As for my healthcare I have a job I pay a percentage and they pay percentage based on my compensation package.

It does perform better, people wouldnt suport it I suppose because the government will make you pay for the shit care anyway regardless of wether you had private healthcare or not. So your standards drop for having to pay for the welfare of others.

Noone would ask, because the answer would be no. Whats your answer then? Everyone quit? Great then they can all get on welfare too, shit we can be France.

I heard Wal Mart is going to start offering generic drugs that work as well as the expensive shit, all the liberals are freaking out though. WalMart is supposed to be evil afterall.