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Corporate Pig · **Free the people - US style. -** 06-24-03

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WASHINGTON (NFTF.org) -- Iraqi's in the city of Hillah are threatening to strike if the Coaliton Provisional Authority doesn't back off its latest demands that government workers sign a document pledging obedience.

The Los Angeles Times reports that the document is part of the ongoing effort to eradicate any remanents of the outlawed Ba'ath party.

At issue is the sentence, "I will obey the laws of Iraq and all proclamations, orders and instructions of the Coalition Provisional Authority," a vow some in Hillah see as a direct conflict with their religious and national identities.

Hillah residents marched in protest earlier this week after government employees were told they wouldn't be paid unless they signed the document.

Complicating the issue is a fatwa issued by Shi'ite clerics calling for followers not to sign.

In an effort to compromise, community leaders requested the addition of a clause to protect "the interests of the Iraqi people."

Thus far, the civil administration seems cool to the idea, asserting that troublemakers seeking conflict are behind the issue.

Obedience Pledge Required for Government Workers
Monday, June 23, 2003
Refer: http://www.yellowtimes.org/article.php?sid=1437

Well one thing for certain... Iraqi's wont be allowed union representation in the workplace, with the "Coalition Provisional Authority" implementing what could only be decribed as a form of Fascism.

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WASHINGTON (NFTF.org) -- The U.S.-led Coalition Provisional Authority in Iraq plans to censor the country's press.

The Independent's Middle East correspondent, Robert Fisk, reported June 11 that unnamed officials told him the previous week that L. Paul Bremer, U.S. envoy to Iraq, had ordered press censorship rules in an effort to combat growing anti-American sentiment in Iraq.

"Newspapers that publish 'wild stories,' material deemed provocative or capable of inciting ethnic violence, will be threatened or shut down," wrote Fisk. "A controlled press is a responsible press which is exactly what Saddam Hussein used to say about the trashy newspapers his regime produced. It must seem all too familiar to the people of Baghdad."

Additionally, mosques may be monitored and Imams speaking against the U.S. censored or removed.

Media as propaganda has already begun in the eastern city of Kut, where U.S. Marines are working with former workers to establish a television news station.

Civil affairs officer Lt. Col Bob Zangas has instructed the dozen-member television staff not to clear up a rumor that Marines plan to execute 40 looters and display their heads on spikes at the city gates.

"...let them think the Marines are preparing to top 'em all if they step out of line," Zangas said in a dispatch by Kate Connolly for The Weekly Telegraph.

Zagas also condoned the Kut station's failure to cover a demonstration led by Shi'ite clerics, noting that broadcasting the protest against U.S. troops "doesn’t really fit into our philosophy."

At least 45 U.S. service personnel have been killed in the two months since the war's end. In the past week, forces in Sunni-majority Fallajabad, west of Baghdad have faced nightly attacks by unknown assailants wielding automatic weapons and grenade launchers. Fisk noted U.S. troops and military aircraft at the Baghdad International Airport are also coming under fire nightly.

Clean drinking water, reliable electricity and secured functioning hospitals remain unavailable to most Iraqis; many face looming starvation and disease. Crime has escalated from the initial post-war looting to include rape, armed robbery and shootings.

The Iraqi death toll remains a mystery, with the U.S. and Great Britain declining to engage in or even endorse a civilian body count. The Associates Press is reporting a rough tally of 3,240 civilians killed, though other estimates account for as many as 7,207 dead, including hundreds lost since the war's end in April.

Censorship for Iraq
Tuesday, June 17, 200
Refer: http://www.yellowtimes.org/article.php?sid=1426

And how the Iraqi's must be celebrating this "new" found form of "democracy". Recognising the true facist intent of the US Military Regime.

At least we know this isnt a "humanitarian War" as some would try to claim it... rescue the people, so as to enslave them.

thefinalw0rd · 06-24-03

Free the people...only to make a need to free the people. We're getting ourselves in way too deeply over there...just like I thought we might.

Corporate Pig · 06-25-03

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Originally posted by thefinalw0rd
Free the people...only to make a need to free the people. We're getting ourselves in way too deeply over there...just like I thought we might.

Maybe the aim of the neo-conservatives was never to actually "free" the people...
Instead, ensalve the people, making them serve the US Multinational's becoming good little consumers.

Its all relative, to how they define "freedom",... and for the neo-cons its usually a neo-capitalist fascist or neo-democratic society, serving the interests of the Political elite.

The world moves from Feudalism, to supposably scrap the class system.. to a neo-capitalist state with its hidden, but very defined, social class system.

Not much really has changed in 500 odd years.

thefinalw0rd · 06-25-03

No, nothing really has...

(By the way, I never meant that I would support a humanitarian war, just that it would have been better justification than WMDs)

NMaries · 06-30-03

It is nicer than just taking over and leaving them to the arabieans.

It has always been the victors place to gift it's new people with their own culture. Can't fight the standards of time.

Corporate Pig · 07-01-03

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Originally posted by NMaries
It is nicer than just taking over and leaving them to the arabieans.

It has always been the victors place to gift it's new people with their own culture. Can't fight the standards of time.

Do you seriously support a War for Imperialistic conquest in this day and age ?

Most of society is somewhat more 'advanced' than this.

NMaries · 07-01-03

It insures they won't turn around and attack us. In three generations they won't even know the difference.

Corporate Pig · 07-04-03

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Originally posted by NMaries
It insures they won't turn around and attack us. In three generations they won't even know the difference.

Why dont you just Nuke the entire middle eastern region,..
wouldnt that more easily solve these imperalist ambitions that your so proud of ?

And then you wouldnt have to worry about them ever attacking you back.

thefinalw0rd · 07-04-03

NMaries, its memories carried throughout numerous generations that cause all of this in the first place. There have been conflicts between the Western and Muslim worlds for hundreds of years...back to the Byzantine (Spelling?) Empire and beyond...they remember, and we remember...it solves nothing.

NMaries · 07-05-03

The problem I see here is acting like the USA will enforce their will on Iraq. What I see is the minimal ammount of force that has to be taken to insure Sadham or tyrants are in charge of the region.

Without trying to offer diplomacy to Iraq, they would fight with eachother and be placed in the same termoil the war was meant to resolve. The winner takes the obligation to lead the people after the loser is dispersed. The USA is saying for now we will lead you. In the future you lead yourself. Hopefully we can be friends.

Not taking action, would be the worst course of action.

thefinalw0rd · 07-05-03

The USA tried to say the same thing in Vietnam, for a quick little memory jogger.

NMaries · 07-06-03

They tried it in Cuba too. Now they run their own country the way they want.

Corporate Pig · 07-07-03

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Originally posted by NMaries
Now they run their own country the way they want.

Cuba translation:-
If you run your country the way you want, we'll place trade embargo's and bankrupt the economy for more than 20yrs.

Cuba's lack of modernization, has always been attributed to the US placed trade embargo's of more than 20yrs.

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For almost four decades, the United States has maintained an economic blockade against our Caribbean neighbor, the island nation of Cuba. The blockade was originally rationalized on the basis that Cuba was a threat to U.S. national security. Cuba's expropriation of U.S. property following their1959 revolution, subsequent alliance with the Soviet Union, and support for armed revolutionary forces in Latin America and Africa, are a few of the reasons cited.

Now however, as we approach the millennium, the political situation has entirely changed. The Cold War has been over for ten years; the Soviet Union no longer exists, the U.S. has normal trade and diplomatic relations with all the countries of the former Eastern bloc, and in fact, has granted the largest Communist country, China, its Most Favored Nation status.

Struggling with its own economic problems, Cuba no longer has the capacity to support armed revolution abroad. In fact, according to one Center for Defense Information Study, Cuba spends on its military in one year what the U.S. spends in ten hours. Yet, with two successive acts of Congress, the Cuba Democracy Act of 1992 and the Helms Burton Act of 1996, both signed into law by President Clinton, the U.S. has tightened the blockade against Cuba...

...In each of the last seven years, the United Nations has condemned the U.S. blockade of Cuba, most recently by a vote of 157-2. In addition, major human rights organizations, including those inside Cuba, call for an end to the blockade. Clearly, a U.S. policy that encourages dialogue with Cuba, at both governmental and grassroots levels, is long overdue. And yet, in defiance of any sense of reason or proportion, the U.S. blockade of Cuba is continually reinforced, tightened and codified.

refer: http://www.globalexchange.org/countr...d/history.html

So,.. my conclusion..
NMarines is right - in that Cuba is a perfect example of what the US will do to a country, if it dosent obey Washington's orders.

With Iraq though... I see it as; a US controlled puppet state, which will remain like so until either;
A) The US needs to remove the leader it had previously installed.. OR

The people rise up, and either through a democratic means or a revolutionary venture, remove the US installed Puppet leader/Political Party or regime.

Of course is option 'B' is to occur, then one could possibly expect some form of sanctions or embargo's against their country placed by the United States to occur.

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...Cuba was a threat to U.S. national security...

Are we beginning to see a pattern here yet...
apparant threats to "US National Security" in the past -:
Vietnam
Cuba
Nrth Korea
Iran
Afghanistan
Iraq... so where are the missles which apparently could hit the US ?

neonwraith · 07-08-03

The missiles which could actually hit the US are mounte donto all the American jets/Silo's in the world

Afterall if A-10a pilots can shoot a UK red cross convoy, Who do you fear more?

Neon

NMaries · 07-09-03

Well, the bombs come in handy for making a democratic world.

thefinalw0rd · 07-09-03

Yes, promoting Freedom, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness through....death and destruction.

Fear politics are dangerous.

Corporate Pig · 07-10-03

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Originally posted by thefinalw0rd
Yes, promoting Freedom, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness through....death and destruction.

War is Peace.
Freedom is Slavery.
Ignorance is Strength.

These are Orwellian times upon us.

Corporate Pig · 07-10-03

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Originally posted by Corporate Pig
War is Peace in our 'Negative Utopia'

These are Orwellian times upon us.

NMaries · **Clarify -** 07-10-03

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Originally posted by Corporate Pig
War is Peace.
Freedom is Slavery.
Ignorance is Strength.

These are Orwellian times upon us.

War protects our way of life.

Freedom is the ability to chose your path in life, without harm to others.

Ignorance is Bliss. Even then ignorance is not a worthwhile defense in most courts.