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Originally Posted by Dyshade The only way you will feel his tax cuts is if you are in the top 20% of the wealth here in the US.... elsewise just like me you will still be taxed the same.... | I'm a single parent. I feel the increases in the child deduction every year.
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Originally Posted by Synikul I'm a single parent. I feel the increases in the child deduction every year.
And you're fooling yourself if you think you don't feel the cuts to the wealthy. I never got a job from a poor guy. It's basic common sense that if the company you work for, and it's shareholders, are doing better, YOU will be doing better. | I work for the largest (((Ranked Number 2 in the United States))) grocer in the United States..... I got a .35 cent raise this year... whootz... I am really feeling those tax cuts for the wealthy I am  To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. S.O.D. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
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Originally Posted by Dyshade I work for the largest (((Ranked Number 2 in the United States))) grocer in the United States..... I got a .35 cent raise this year... whootz... I am really feeling those tax cuts for the wealthy I am  | Maybe you should try being more valuable to your employer. | |
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Typical Leftist sentimentality. Thanks. Find out exactly what to think, next.
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Originally Posted by dgg9 Maybe you should try being more valuable to your employer. |
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Also.... I am very valuable to the immediate supervisors yet when you work in a corporate environment you are only as valuable as your replacement...... and only as valuable as your position can be..... especially when in that environment the corporation can easily replace you not caring how well you do your job.... and in the end it is cost effective for them to do so as they would pay your replacement a lower beginning wage..... To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. S.O.D. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
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Originally Posted by Dyshade Maybe you should try to understand typical white collar working environments before making statements akin to that  | I do understand them.
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Originally Posted by dgg9 Getting back the topic of vapid conspiracy theory mongers, it is possible to be leftwing and still be an intellectually honest debunker of conspiracy theories. Here's one example: http://slate.msn.com/id/2102723/ | By your token, in order to be intellectually honest, one must agree with you. Bismarck once said "Fools say they like to learn from their experiences, but I prefer to learn from the experience of others."
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Originally Posted by dgg9 I do understand them.
You don't automatically get a raise when the economy does better. You get a raise when you are more productive. | Then tell me why productivity is up and average wages down? Bismarck once said "Fools say they like to learn from their experiences, but I prefer to learn from the experience of others."
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Originally Posted by SirVLCIV By your token, in order to be intellectually honest, one must agree with you. | Complete and total non sequitur.
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Originally Posted by SirVLCIV Then tell me why productivity is up and average wages down? | Productivity has been increasing IN GENERAL for a while, and is higher now because we're coming out of a recession. (Also, you're not talking about the same jobs.)
Average wages have been rising, not falling.
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Non-Sequitur. Thanks. Find out exactly what to think, next.
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Originally Posted by dgg9 I do understand them.
You don't automatically get a raise when the economy does better. You get a raise when you are more productive. | So you do not understand at all.... seeing as how I work for a Union and even with that benefit do not get a raise.... I face pay-caps which are only increased through cost-of-living-wage increases..... the Union fights for these every year... this year we were almost all denied this colw increase yet the Corporation was facing a record year and so decided to pass it.....
Productivity in my business does not automatically grant you a raise.... that is a phallacy..... there are others doing my job second rate who may get written up every once in a bit but still make as much as I do..... too bad that
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Originally Posted by Dyshade So you do not understand at all.... seeing as how I work for a Union | Why didn't you say so? Unions blunt any productivity increases, and thwart the free market. Quote: |
Anyways..... this is what is wrong with the "tax" breaks..... everyone thinks they trickle down..... when in fact some of it does but most of it does not....
| Nothing trickles down when unions distort the market. In the real world, where employers and employees can directly negotiate, the free market operates. | |
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Originally Posted by dgg9 Why didn't you say so? Unions blunt any productivity increases, and thwart the free market.
Nothing trickles down when unions distort the market. In the real world, where employers and employees can directly negotiate, the free market operates. |
Actually dear dgg9 now I can see that you do not understand the workings of the average jobplace.... you see out of the 20 stores in my district only 3 are union... and I am very happy to work in a Union Store.... those that do not work in a Union Store must pay for thier benifits and make a lower wage.... I get completely free to me Medical, Dental, and Vision plus my wage is capped at about a dollar above those who work in a non-union store.... plus Utah is a right-to-work state which means an employer can fire you for any reason without explanation nor notice and is protected by state law UNLESS you work in a Union environment which protects you from this as well as bias and other practices which find thier way into non-union stores..... within the non-union stores they tend to fire for any fault and fill the position with a lower payed new employee.... To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. S.O.D. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
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Originally Posted by Dyshade Actually dear dgg9 now I can see that you do not understand the workings of the average jobplace.... you see out of the 20 stores in my district only 3 are union... | I can see you do not understand the workings of arithmetic. If 3 of 20 stores are union, then the union store is not "average." In general, the percentage of jobs in the US that are union has been falling for decades.
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plus Utah is a right-to-work state which means an employer can fire you for any reason without explanation nor notice and is protected by state law UNLESS you work in a Union environment which protects you from this as well as bias and other practices which find thier way into non-union stores..... within the non-union stores they tend to fire for any fault and fill the position with a lower payed new employee....
| In case you didn't notice, none of this has anything to do with the free market. If unions are exmpt by law from supply and demand and other economic realities, you may think you have a good deal now, but over time, your uncompetitive business will simply lose market share to non-union shops. | |
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