Bush's tactics are "Nazi-like" - Darkforum.com - Dark Stories, Dark Art, Poetry, Photography, Debates and Discussions

Peter · **Bush's tactics are "Nazi-like" -** 06-01-04

"Today's Washington Post story exposes what we've known all along -- the Bush campaign has trouble with the truth. They are playing fast and loose with the facts like no campaign in American history. You have to wonder, why doesn't George W. Bush trust the American people with the truth?" said Kerry spokesperson Chad Clanton.

From today's Washington Post story:

Bush's Attacks on Kerry - WRONG: "The charges were all tough, serious -- and wrong, or at least highly misleading."

Bush Campaign Makes "Misleading" Claims: "The balance of misleading claims tips to Bush," Jamieson said, "in part because the Kerry team has been more careful."

-- Bush Attack on Playing Politics with the War - WRONG: "One constant theme of the Bush campaign is that Kerry is 'playing politics' with Iraq, terrorism and national security. Earlier this month, Bush-Cheney Chairman Marc Racicot told reporters in a conference call that Kerry suggested in a speech that 150,000 U.S. troops are 'universally responsible' for the misdeeds of a few soldiers at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison -- a statement the candidate never made. In that one call, Racicot made at least three variations of this claim and the campaign cut off a reporter when he was challenged on it.

-- Bush Attack on Intelligence Cuts - WRONG: "In early March, Bush charged that Kerry had proposed a $1.5 billion cut in the intelligence budget that would 'gut the intelligence services.' Kerry did propose such a cut in 1995, but it amounted to about 1 percent of the overall intelligence budget and was smaller than the $3.8 billion cut the Republican-led Congress approved for the same program Kerry was targeting."

-- Bush Attack on Gas Tax - WRONG: "On March 30, the Bush team released an ad noting that Kerry 'supported a 50-cent-a-gallon gas tax' and saying, 'If Kerry's tax increase were law, the average family would pay $657 more a year.' But Kerry opposes an increase in the gasoline tax."

-- Bush Attack on "War on Terror" - WRONG: "But Kerry did not say what Cheney attributes to him. The quote Cheney used came from a March interview with the New York Times, in which Kerry used the phrase "war on terror." When he said "I don't want to use that terminology," he was discussing the "economic transformation" of the Middle East -- not the war on terrorism."

-- Bush Attack on the Patriot Act - WRONG: "Kerry has proposed modifying those provisions by mandating tougher judicial controls over wiretaps and subpoenas, but not repealing them. In the conference call, Bush campaign manager Ken Mehlman was prodded to offer evidence that Kerry was pressured by liberals or that Kerry opposed wiretaps. He offered no direct evidence, saying only that Kerry objected to the Patriot Act after liberals did, and that 'a common-sense reading indicates he intends to repeal those important tools.'"

GOP Strategists Acknowledge Bush Can't Run on his Own Record, Must Attack: "Scott Reed, who ran Robert J. Dole's presidential campaign that year, said the Bush campaign has little choice but to deliver a constant stream of such negative charges. With low poll numbers and a volatile situation in Iraq, Bush has more hope of tarnishing Kerry's image than promoting his own."

This article shows just how much Bush's lies are destroying America, we must all vote Kerry before monkey-boy takes our guns away, yeeeeehhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww. (This is longer than two words)

Iron's Rite · 06-01-04

Here comes another pointless "The-commies-are-the-real-ones-responsible-for-the-holocoast" argument. That reversed spectrum manner of thinking is getting frighteningly common these days.

Peter · 06-01-04

That or Hitler was really a socialist because it was in the name of the political party arguement

coratel · 06-01-04

So because Bush's campaign is doing some aggressive campaigning, that autimatically equates him to Hitler? I had no idea that a few missleading statements in a political campaign was the same as attempted genocide and an attempt to take over the world....

How strange my logic must be if I didn't reach that conclusion.....

Lawson · 06-01-04

Quote:

Originally Posted by coratel

So because Bush's campaign is doing some aggressive campaigning, that autimatically equates him to Hitler? I had no idea that a few missleading statements in a political campaign was the same as attempted genocide and an attempt to take over the world....

How strange my logic must be if I didn't reach that conclusion.....

True. Listen to the hysterical language the left uses when the Republicans merely show Kerry's record.

Peter · 06-01-04

Like Hitler, who was a socialist.

Lawson · 06-01-04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter

Like Hitler, who was a socialist.

Hitler was a socialist, true.

Guy_Person · 06-01-04

Which is why he was so violently against socialism... right?

dgg9 · 06-01-04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guy_Person

Which is why he was so violently against socialism... right?

He was against the organized socialist parties, in the same way and for exactly the same reasons mafia leaders kill off their rivals.

Lawson · 06-01-04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guy_Person

Which is why he was so violently against socialism... right?

He wasn't against socialism, he was against communism. Fascism is a form of Socialism, and Hitler described himself as a Socialist.

Quote:

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." --Adolf Hitler

Nearly all of the 25 tenets of Fascism are based on Socialism, as well.

This is one of the greatest lies of the left, to cover up their history in relationship with Fascism and National Socialism.

Guy_Person · 06-01-04

What do you mean, "relationship"?

Aeternus · 06-01-04

Facism in nazi germany combined the extremes of nationalism with socialism. It combined elements of averaged leftwing thinking with extemist rightwing. And I'm sure they had some tenets... The actions of Hitler lateron proved how true to his rules he was I guess. Reminds me a little of the US constitution in some ways...

Guy_Person · 06-01-04

Show me how encouraging women to all become baby-making housewives in order to produce a massive military is in line with modern left-wing thought.

Lawson · 06-01-04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guy_Person

What do you mean, "relationship"?

They are your roots.

Lawson · 06-01-04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aeternus

Facism in nazi germany combined the extremes of nationalism with socialism. It combined elements of averaged leftwing thinking with extemist rightwing. And I'm sure they had some tenets... The actions of Hitler lateron proved how true to his rules he was I guess. Reminds me a little of the US constitution in some ways...

Nationalism isn't right wing either. The Soviets were strong nationalists, and they were far left wing.

Hitler was nearly all left.

Lawson · 06-01-04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guy_Person

Show me how encouraging women to all become baby-making housewives in order to produce a massive military is in line with modern left-wing thought.

Never said it was.

Gun control, nationalizing businesses, state run health care and education, and abortion is though.

Btw, the Soviets and Red chinese have massive militaries, and they are left wing. Military spending is not a trait of either philosophy.

Guy_Person · 06-01-04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lawson

They are your roots.

Stop making bullshit claims and start backing them up.

Lawson · 06-01-04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guy_Person

Stop making bullshit claims and start backing them up.

I believe I already have.

Fascism and National Socialism were based on Socialism, and both were left wing philosophies.

Today's left has inherited their mantle, and carries it proudly.

Here are the 25 tenets of Fascism, as laid out by National Socialist German Workers Party Platform.

Look and see how familiar what they said then is what the left is saying now.

Quote:

[Below is the 25 of the NSDAP Program - This is basically the National Socialist German Workers Party Platform. It included measures that in effect would redistribute income and war profits, profit-sharing with large industries, nationalization of trusts, extensive development of old-age pension (just like FDRs Social Security Program), and free education. Clearly this demonstrates Hitler was indeed a left winger and here is startling proof.]

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The 25 points of the NSDAP Program were composed by Adolf Hitler and Anton Drexler. They were publically presented on 24 February 1920 "to a crowd of almost two thousand and every single point was accepted amid jubilant approval." (Mein Kampf, Volume II, Chapter I) Hitler explained their purpose in the fifth chapter of the second volume of Mein Kampf:

[T]he program of the new movement was summed up in a few guiding principles, twenty-five in all. They were devised to give, primarily to the man of the people, a rough picture of the movement's aims. They are in a sense a political creed, which on the one hand recruits for the movement and on the other is suited to unite and weld together by a commonly recognized obligation those who have been recruited.

Hitler was intent on having a community of mutual interest that desired mutual success instead of one that was divided over the control of money or differing values.

THE COMMON INTEREST BEFORE SELF-INTEREST -
THAT IS THE SPIRIT OF THE PROGRAM. BREAKING OF THE THRALDOM OF INTEREST - THAT IS THE KERNEL OF NATIONAL SOCIALISM.

In these straightforward statements of intent, Hitler translated his ideology into a plan of action which would prove its popularity with the German people throughout the coming years. For many, the abruptness of its departure from the tradition of politics as practiced in the western world was as much of a shock as its liberal nature and foresight of the emerging problems of western democracy.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The Programme of the German Workers' Party is designed to be of limited duration. The leaders have no intention, once the aims announced in it have been achieved, of establishing fresh ones, merely in order to increase, artificially, the discontent of the masses and so ensure the continued existence of the Party.

1. We demand the union of all Germany in a Greater Germany on the basis of the right of national self-determination.

2. We demand equality of rights for the German people in its dealings with other nations, and the revocation of the peace treaties of Versailles and Saint-Germain.

3. We demand land and territory (colonies) to feed our people and to settle our surplus population.

4. Only members of the nation may be citizens of the State. Only those of German blood, whatever be their creed, may be members of the nation. Accordingly, no Jew may be a member of the nation.

5. Non-citizens may live in Germany only as guests and must be subject to laws for aliens.

6. The right to vote on the State's government and legislation shall be enjoyed by the citizens of the State alone. We demand therefore that all official appointments, of whatever kind, whether in the Reich, in the states or in the smaller localities, shall be held by none but citizens.

We oppose the corrupting parliamentary custom of filling posts merely in accordance with party considerations, and without reference to character or abilities.

7. We demand that the State shall make it its primary duty to provide a livelihood for its citizens. If it should prove impossible to feed the entire population, foreign nationals (non-citizens) must be deported from the Reich.

8. All non-German immigration must be prevented. We demand that all non-Germans who entered Germany after 2 August 1914 shall be required to leave the Reich forthwith.

9. All citizens shall have equal rights and duties.

10. It must be the first duty of every citizen to perform physical or mental work. The activities of the individual must not clash with the general interest, but must proceed within the framework of the community and be for the general good.

We demand therefore:

11. The abolition of incomes unearned by work.

The breaking of the slavery of interest

12. In view of the enormous sacrifices of life and property demanded of a nation by any war, personal enrichment from war must be regarded as a crime against the nation. We demand therefore the ruthless confiscation of all war profits.

13. We demand the nationalization of all businesses which have been formed into corporations (trusts).

14. We demand profit-sharing in large industrial enterprises.

15. We demand the extensive development of insurance for old age.

16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a healthy middle class, the immediate communalizing of big department stores, and their lease at a cheap rate to small traders, and that the utmost consideration shall be shown to all small traders in the placing of State and municiple orders.

17. We demand a land reform suitable to our national requirements, the passing of a law for the expropriation of land for communal purposes without compensation; the abolition of ground rent, and the prohibition of all speculation in land. *

18. We demand the ruthless prosecution of those whose activities are injurious to the common interest. Common criminals, usurers, profiteers, etc., must be punished with death, whatever their creed or race.

19. We demand that Roman Law, which serves a materialistic world order, be replaced by a German common law.

20. The State must consider a thorough reconstruction of our national system of education (with the aim of opening up to every able and hard-working German the possibility of higher education and of thus obtaining advancement). The curricula of all educational establishments must be brought into line with the requirements of practical life. The aim of the school must be to give the pupil, beginning with the first sign of intelligence, a grasp of the nation of the State (through the study of civic affairs). We demand the education of gifted children of poor parents, whatever their class or occupation, at the expense of the State.

21. The State must ensure that the nation's health standards are raised by protecting mothers and infants, by prohibiting child labor, by promoting physical strength through legislation providing for compulsory gymnastics and sports, and by the extensive support of clubs engaged in the physical training of youth.

22. We demand the abolition of the mercenary army and the foundation of a people's army.

23. We demand legal warfare on deliberate political mendacity and its dissemination in the press. To facilitate the creation of a German national press we demand:

(a) that all editors of, and contributors to newspapers appearing in the German language must be members of the nation;
(b) that no non-German newspapers may appear without the express permission of the State. They must not be printed in the German language;
(c) that non-Germans shall be prohibited by law from participating financially in or influencing German newspapers, and that the penalty for contravening such a law shall be the suppression of any such newspaper, and the immediate deportation of the non-Germans involved.

The publishing of papers which are not conducive to the national welfare must be forbidden. We demand the legal prosecution of all those tendencies in art and literature which corrupt our national life, and the suppression of cultural events which violate this demand.

24. We demand freedom for all religious denominations in the State, provided they do not threaten its existence not offend the moral feelings of the German race.

The Party, as such, stands for positive Christianity, but does not commit itself to any particular denomination. It combats the Jewish-materialistic spirit within and without us, and is convinced that our nation can achieve permanent health only from within on the basis of the principle: The common interest before self-interest.

25. To put the whole of this programme into effect, we demand the creation of a strong central state power for the Reich; the unconditional authority of the political central Parliament over the entire Reich and its organizations; and the formation of Corporations based on estate and occupation for the purpose of carrying out the general legislation passed by the Reich in the various German states.

The leaders of the Party promise to work ruthlessly -- if need be to sacrifice their very lives -- to translate this programme into action.

Source: Programme of the NSDAP

Socialism, pure and simple.