by the by, Syn... how, exactly, can an opinion be wrong?

When it's based on incorrect facts.

incorrect according to whom?

you may not like an opinion, but that doesn't make it wrong. nothing that resides in the mind is wrong... only what shows up in the world in deeds can be judge on a moral tack.

Do you actually believe Bush is a Nazi, and America is turning into a facist nation?

to call Bush a Nazi may be a fallacy... mainly because he is not German, nor a White Trash wannabe... but I cannot discount the possibility, even if it may be an improbability.

but, you're (or they're) watering the issue with buzzwords meant to push buttons.

an opinion STILL isn't inherently wrong. Syn, you have many opinions that go far against the grain of my own... but i do not consider them wrong.

You're right to a point. If the opinions are based on facts.

Example:
Fact: The sky is blue.

Opinion A: I hate blue! It would look better if it was purple.

Opinion B: I like the blue on a clear day.

there's nothing wrong with people liking jesus... despite the FACT that their FACTS are spurious at best.


sorry... that was uncalled for of me.

No, this is an example of differing opinions where the facts are not exactly clear.

....oh I wanna see that happen.....really....

want a great example of a facist organization in the US look no further than the DEA. This is a "law enforcement" agency that really has almost no oversight; uses illegal activities and criminals in the pursuit of it's aims and often has whistle blowers denouncing it's tactics. Also it was formed by the most paranoid, power-hungry president (and I like Nixon for the most part) ever to hold the office. People tend to disregard the fact that most, if not all of our drug laws are unconstitutional. Stiking to the Constitution, there should be no way that a person growing weed in his backyard should be arrested except if it is illegal in his state. I am not in total agreement with the facist tag, but you must see that there are various fascist things going on especially with the Patriot Act. Most of the people I know who "strongly" supported are pretty ignorant people who wouldn't know what the Bill of Rights are.


ps. anyone notice the vision of Bush v3.0 in the news. Jeb Bush travelling with Colin Powell. Chaney already said he would not run for President so anyone really paying attention should be ready for Jeb to run in the next election. If he wins at least we may have a Prez with a real vocabulary who wasn't an average student.

I know what the Bill of Rights is, and I am for the Patriot Act. The problem with it is that we aren't supposed to use profiling, so it get applied everywhere. I don't care if the gov't gets a little facist toward "young, male, arabic, muslims" which is the profile for likely terrorists.

Like the Oklahoma Bombing for example?

I'd say the problem with The Patriot Act is that all the bad points, the reduction of liberty, applies to almost everyone, yet is supposed to tackle a tiny target. Obviously, when tackling a small problem, its usually not the best idea to reduce liberty for everyone else to get like, twelve people (not that we know how effective the measures actually are since no-one is allowed to really say)

A big problem with that for me is I was mistaken for a Turk, so just on looks my privacy can get invaded for no reason. How can we expect to keep are freedoms as we give them away. You say that it isn't a problem for you as long as they profile the muslims, but why wasn't a big deal when two white guys blew up a federal building. This reminds me of WWII when the Japanese were interned but Germans weren't.

God fucking damn it all! I'm really sorry Synikul, I just hit the edit post button when I met to hit reply. I can't find your original comment in my history either. Once again I'm really sorry, at least now that I've done it once this mistake won't happen again.

Er, yeah, that's my point, terrorists aren't just muslims, and muslim isn't the profile for likely terrorists.

that may be the case however it's not comprehensive in that oklahoma would not have happened, and then theres that group that killed that one jewish talk show host. So I guess my point is given that they really don't need to profile so much as pay attention to the intellegence that the get and understand the operations of the groups that they are trying to stop. They had competent intellegence three years before the trade center fiasco.

Ps. why the hell is Jeb Bush travelling around with Colin Powell. Dosen't he have a state to Run?

He also has an election to win in 2008. He knows his priorities.

Hi everyone....

I've been gone a while ~ busy working, travelling, and exploring this strangle little world...

Anywho my thoughts ->

And for once...
and only in this context so far - I AGREE WITH YOU SYNIKUL!

ABSOLUTELY.

Anywho to my point.. (or clarification)
America (I believe) ISN'T comparable to Germany in 1930.
And this is because (I believe) it is beginning to resemble Italy in 1923.
~ Mussolini, often reffered to as "The Father of Fascism".

Actually Synikul,
your too ignorant to realise ~ there is no "FACT".
Its just an "OPINION".

The Sky isn't actually "Blue" ~ its just light scattering to give the effect, that you perceive it to be blue.
Re: http://www.sciencemadesimple.com/sky_blue.html

Anyway - "Opinion's" are almost never based on "facts" - and that's by defenition.

A "Opinion" directly, has nothing to do with "facts".
Its merely a individualy held belief, that CANNOT BE SUBSTANTIATED.