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02-15-08

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ban periods.. for they cause the loss of life....
Periods also bring death to a sentence. Therefore we must ban them and all use exclamation marks!




Quotation marks are next on the hit list!


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What a dork


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personally, i thought that was the funniest thing i've seen anthrax say!


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Life begins at the point of conception. No one can deny that after a human being is conceived it will develop into the very same being as those debating this issue. What astounds me is that those who favor abortion went through an identical development stage as the being they are condemning to death.
Bacteria and a virus is also life. It developes within someone with little antibodies. A cancer is a similar thing. A bunch of tiny independant cells in a gestation sac is hardly a human being. It goes through a series of phases, while growing various organs and tissues before it becomes human. It isn't really a human until it's a fully developed baby several months after being inside the womb and begins kicking the mother. Yes of course we all went through the same thing inside our mothers. So did the dinosaurs and they were eventually "condemned to death" along with their young.
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Would these very same people agree that a similiar choice should have been made about their own existence?
These "what if you weren't born" questions are irrelevant.
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Abortion today is used primarily as a birth control of convenience because people are too self-centered to take precautions.
Calling them "self- centred" and "selfish" is a common thing for pro-lifers to say. It implies that you don't want other adults to make decisions about their own lives.

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They prefer their own pleasurable self-indulgence over the care and sanctity of the life they created. What ever happened to taking responsibility for one's actions in this country?
How do you know why these people did what they did? Have you ever asked all of them about their circumstances? Many abortions are the result of rape or failed relationships and poverty. If you're asking people to stop having sex then it's hardly any of your business.

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Is it too much to ask a woman who has conceived to place the child into adoption?
Perhaps she doesn't want to risk her health and even her life by carrying it for nine months and then giving birth.

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Nine months of discomfort is nothing compared to life in prison for voluntary manslaughter!
Have you been pregnant? It isn't a wonderful experience as trendy women in the media say it is. Perhaps some women have an easy time at it but others don't. It can result in a loss of iron and a growth in tumors. Who gets "life in prison" for manslaughter? the women who've had an abortion or the doctors who performed it? What about animals in the wild who eat their newborn for survival?
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Does the father of the child have a say in this?
Usually this is something pro-lifers always go on about. The rights of the father. To answer that, often the case of having abortions is because often the father wants the fetus aborted, or the couple don't have a stable relationship to begin with. How can you expect a pregnant girl to ask her rapist's consent on terminating what parasite he gave her?
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And what about the constitution of the United States? Are not all people conceived in this country deserving of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness?
Abortion isn't just about the USA but I'll answer that a fetus isn't really the same as someone who was born.
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I believe abortion is a crime against humanity and should be outlawed. We need to overturn the Roe v. Wade decision and get back to cherishing life in this country. For a country that murders it's children cannot be far from self destruction.
Producing too many people is a crime against the earth. Having an abortion isn't "murder" because there was no person to begin with. A fetus isn't the same as a child.

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Calling them "self- centred" and "selfish" is a common thing for pro-lifers to say. It implies that you don't want other adults to make decisions about their own lives.
Isn't it selfish to make that choice with someone else's life? If you believe that life begins at conception, that is exactly what you are doing.


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Whether I believe women should have abortions or not is irrelevant. The fact is that some women will get desperate enough to seek an abortion. Making abortions illegal only drives the practice underground; it doesn't stop them from happening.

Whether it's right or wrong, immoral or whatever, it doesn't matter. These women's lives need to be protected. There should be counseling and alternatives given to any woman seeking an abortion and all of her options should be safe ones.

BTW, I believe you start your life when you take your first breath, and I believe life ends after you take your last.

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Whether I believe women should have abortions or not is irrelevant. The fact is that some women will get desperate enough to seek an abortion. Making abortions illegal only drives the practice underground; it doesn't stop them from happening.

Whether it's right or wrong, immoral or whatever, it doesn't matter. These women's lives need to be protected. There should be counseling and alternatives given to any woman seeking an abortion and all of her options should be safe ones.

BTW, I believe you start your life when you take your first breath, and I believe life ends after you take your last.
Wow its sad that some women are so selfish and sick that they would be desperate to murder their babies in a back alley with a coat hanger. I think they should just accept those risks.
  
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Of course, if you do that, you have to ban birth control as well.. And you would have to force females to attempt a fertilization of the eggs as well... So that means that women would have to be forced to start having sex at whatever age they begin menstruating.. So then the legal age for sexual encounters has to be lowered to 12-14 so it's part of that sublaw...

end result.. the planet becomes maxed out population wise in about 3 years.. And we go into the babies having babies argument as well....

let abortion stay...
artificial fertilization would be a costly option, severely limiting the vast variety of people that can create life, it would solve the over population issue, child brides wouldn't even need to be an option, just the financial ability to have a child which usually demonstrates some level of responsibility to manage it successfully.

...if they have to pay for babies, they won't be so eager to remove them.

i'm in full support of banning the period, abortion isn't an issue that should affect me, i can't have babies and am not concerned with the choices other people make for their own lives, however an overpopulation of unwanted people affects everyone.

how does it affect the greater scope of people if a person decides to terminate a fruitful germination?



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Isn't it selfish to make that choice with someone else's life? If you believe that life begins at conception, that is exactly what you are doing.
No it isn' selfish to terminate a parasite. The life that starts off at conception is a bunch of seperate tissues, similar to a cancer. It isn't a person. It's a mass of growth. The parents' decision to abort it is entirely their own.
  
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No it isn' selfish to terminate a parasite. The life that starts off at conception is a bunch of seperate tissues, similar to a cancer. It isn't a person. It's a mass of growth. The parents' decision to abort it is entirely their own.
Then you have never seen the beating heart of an unborn child.

If you think of it as a parasite, then when does it change it's nature? Or are you implying we are all just parasites that have progressed?


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Whether I believe women should have abortions or not is irrelevant. The fact is that some women will get desperate enough to seek an abortion. Making abortions illegal only drives the practice underground; it doesn't stop them from happening.

Whether it's right or wrong, immoral or whatever, it doesn't matter. These women's lives need to be protected. There should be counseling and alternatives given to any woman seeking an abortion and all of her options should be safe ones.

BTW, I believe you start your life when you take your first breath, and I believe life ends after you take your last.

I've heard this before and still don't understand it. "Breath" of what? Babies "breathe" amniotic fluid while in the womb, after a certain point. Do you think that life begins when the lungs expand, or are you limiting it to the substance that fills them? Doesn't make sense to me.


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No it isn' selfish to terminate a parasite. The life that starts off at conception is a bunch of seperate tissues, similar to a cancer. It isn't a person. It's a mass of growth. The parents' decision to abort it is entirely their own.
I don't get the "parasite" thing, either. Are you referring to their inability to survive on their own? One year old babies can't do that, either.


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Then you have never seen the beating heart of an unborn child.

If you think of it as a parasite, then when does it change it's nature? Or are you implying we are all just parasites that have progressed?
I have seen the beating heart of the lump of tissue during a seven week scan. It's as alive as a tapeworm

Of course it's a parasitic organism, as it feeds off inside the mother and drains her of energy including iron. In a way humanity behaves like a parasite because it feeds off the earth and gives back nothing except pollution. That is a different subject.
  
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I don't get the "parasite" thing, either. Are you referring to their inability to survive on their own? One year old babies can't do that, either.
That is a silly question and not worth answering.
  
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That is a silly question and not worth answering.
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–noun 1. an organism that lives on or in an organism of another species, known as the host, from the body of which it obtains nutriment.

2. a person who receives support, advantage, or the like, from another or others without giving any useful or proper return, as one who lives on the hospitality of others.


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par·a·site
–noun 1. an organism that lives on or in an organism of another species, known as the host, from the body of which it obtains nutriment.

2. a person who receives support, advantage, or the like, from another or others without giving any useful or proper return, as one who lives on the hospitality of others.

that sounds like children, before, during and after birth...until the parents become old and the children lock them away in some old folks home, and then the tide turns....and the adults become the parasites.

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If you think of it as a parasite, then when does it change it's nature? Or are you implying we are all just parasites that have progressed?
isn't this the basis for belief in the evolution of man, unless you're a pro creationist, in which case being divine creations does give credence to your statement...who defines what is a human rather than just a necessary step for evolution?



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that sounds like children, before, during and after birth...until the parents become old and the children lock them away in some old folks home, and then the tide turns....and the adults become the parasites.



isn't this the basis for belief in the evolution of man, unless you're a pro creationist, in which case being divine creations does give credence to your statement...who defines what is a human rather than just a necessary step for evolution?
i don't think any of us can define what makes us human, or where it begins. i don't think that a fetus is any more of a parasite than any of us are, and i don't think they "become" human when the heart begins to beat, or they take a breath, or whatever. who, indeed, can really draw that line?

i guess i'm willing to say that i don't have any answers or even opinions about abortions themselves, the morality or legality of them...

the only thing i think is that no matter what reason you have for doing it or who says it's ok, it's still putting out an innocent human life.


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