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Philosophy Discuss What is the nature of reality? in the Debate and Discussion forums; Originally Posted by Dark Messiah You know, that really makes me question your credentials on being up with the whole quantum mechanics thing. In what way do you think quantum ...
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You know, that really makes me question your credentials on being up with the whole quantum mechanics thing.


In what way do you think quantum mechanics support the theory that we control reality?
Well that's good because I didn't claim to be "up" with quantum mechanics. Can I just say that no one fully understands quantum mechanics. One of the theories that I have been trying to keep up with and one I hold true, is the theory that conciousness creates reality, that empty space is not actually empty. It is filled with infinite possibility - collapsing the possible into the actual. The universe responds to what we put out there. so if you are negative then you will have negative experiences, if you are positive then you will have positive experiences. People are like giant magnets. whatever you ask for, subconciously or not, you are going to get. It is said if you focus on something you DON'T want you will still get it because you are sending energy subconciously all the time. with that being said, there is a theory that you can conciously create your day, if you meditate on it every day and think about positive changes you would like to create in your day, it will happen.


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02-07-07

sounds like magic

I doubt very much that the statment has any relationship to quantum anything.

What you say is true not as a result of physics but of perception if I see the world through a rose colored tint then it will be rosy.

The problem with that is that it in no way defines reality if reality is defined and created by each individuals perception then an understanding of reality, a big T, of reality is unattainable by man.

Quantum theory deals with fundemental particles the very small universe and the thoery of relativity deals with the very big universe but there is a problem they can not be reconciled somewhere in between is the mathmatical description of the unvierse.

you also dont need a conciousness to shape reality, however I do agree based on my faith that a conciousness created this reality I typically call him god. Science is not good at answering the question what is reality only describeing it and understanding it.


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Okay here's how we're going to backup the science, i'm doing this irregardless of hthe philosphical implications of it, but just to provide the backing so you guys can have a knowledgable discussion.

The double-slit experiment: wikipedia link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-slit_experiment

Read that b/c my version of it may actually be more difficult to understand plz

basically small amount of light was emmitted and could pass through double slitted material. The problem in dealing with the receptors on the other end comes form the duality of light as a particle and a wave. If you are measuring where the light should hit the receptor as a wave, you will find it there. If you are measuring where the light should hit the receptor as a particle, you will find it there. There is not 2 distinct objects happening you just find the information in the place you're looking for it. this is not my opinion, this is based on experimentation.

The other bit to this is schrodinger's cat, forgive the spelling, there's also a wiki page on that. But basically there's a cat in a box enclosed from the environment with a very small amount of radioactive material that has a 50% chance to decay or not decay in an hour. If it does then it releases some kind of death substance for the cat. So the cat is neither alive nor deat at the 1 hour mark until you go and observe it. This is a thought experiment.

dont argue the semantics of these experiments themselves, people a lot smarter than you would have already done that, think of the philosophical implications to what's happening in this thread with quantum mechanics.

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oh, and how do you not know who stephen hawkings is.....and are they sending him up in space?


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oh and here's a better page for quantam mechanics and other thought experiments, thought experiments seem to relate a lot with philosophy so that's my thoughts.

http://www.kheper.net/cosmos/quantum...um_physics.htm

this ones's the better site i've come across in my 2 mins of searching

What's really neat is the 2 particles with opposite spin thought experiment. That if a first scientist decides which axis (x,y,z) to measure the spin on a particle you've changed the second scientist will read for the other one. it's neat and happens as relativity and quantum come head to head, read it.


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01-27-08

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You know, that really makes me question your credentials on being up with the whole quantum mechanics thing.


In what way do you think quantum mechanics support the theory that we control reality?
There is a lot about it people don't understand.

Have you seen that movie "what the bleep do we know?"

There are a lot of people that believe that our 'beliefs' structure and manifest reality.
  
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Are you just digging old threads now?


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Well, stop waking the dead, they died because it was their time.... man you are going to create some bad karma shit here


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01-27-08

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That's a bald-faced lie. Reality imposes upon our will far more than the other way round.
You could think about it like, everyones beliefs coincide and effect one anothers perception. In that sense, you are right, if that is the case, reality does impose its will far more than the other way around.

Though, I'm not sure about anything, just throwin' stuff out there. In fact, every person that has ever lived knows just about as much of the nature of reality as anybody. In other words, who knows?
  
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