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Waking Life - 09-21-04

Hey, I was wondering if anyone in here has seen the movie "Waking Life" It's in my opinion, one of the greatist films ever made. It really makes you question, or at least made me question my views on reality. And it really gave me a whole new outlook on dreams. If you havn't seen it, I strongly recommend it...Any thoughts from people who have seen it?


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um, why didn't you post this in the movie section? and why don't you tell us how it made you question reality, rather than saying it just did........


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I thought it would be better to post it in here rather than the movie board because I'd rather hear some philosophical comments on it, rather than movie comments. I just meant it changed my views on what we define as reality because that's really what the movie is about. "They say dreams are real only as long as they last...But couldn't you say the same thing about life?" So if no one has seen it, what atleast are your thoughts on that quote? How do we define our own reality? Is this not a dream? Here's some of the transcript http://www.prism.gatech.edu/~gte484v...thanhawke.html could you really be dead and could this very moment of you reading this be those 6-12 minutes of brain activity?


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09-22-04

oh god, not that whole "life is merely a movie" bullshit.....i remember studying this shit long ago, but forget the exact term for it....but i believe it has something to do with some form of dualism.......i'm not sure

we define reality a number of ways.....first and foremost, empirically we percieve reality and the physical objects of said reality as they are....that is: life's really only in 2-D; although we comprehend 3-D, you know that your computer screen has a back, and an inside, you really only percieve it in 2-D......um, the sun is a tiny orange circle in the sky.....shit like this is empiricism......this shit is considered one of the building blocks that make up our minds.....

what is the mind? thatz a question thatz been bothering philosphers for a very long time.....descartes said that itz our mind that proves existence.....and since only the mind does this, what need is there for the physical nature of things?.....then there are those that proclaim, without the physical, there can be no mind.....so, without getting too long winded, letz just agree that physical and metaphysical both exist, shall we....thatz at least my belief......how they coexist, is a matter of discussion all itz own.....but to get to your topic, what is reality? is it a dream? my answer is no......reality does exist, i exist, and you exist, and yaddah, yaddah, yaddah....now, i've heard many people say "but, what if your just a dream, a dream of some other being?"....i say, "so what?" i still exist.....metaphysically i would exist, much like a unicorn....and my physical counterpart would be that being which dreams of me........

but what if all this is my own dreaming? well, that it could be....but most likely, it isn't....if that were the case, then why am i not riding a unicorn? what keeps my own metaphysical nature from coexisting with out metaphysical natures? could i be dead, and this be a dream? well, why am i dreaming within the laws of physical logic? when i do dream, i don't dream within these laws, i break them....one minute i'm fuckin' someone, and the next minute i'm on a rollercoaster....so, why isn't that happening now? i dunno.....i really should read up on this a bit more....right now i'm staring at two philosophical books concerning the mind, but i'm too lazy to open it........but, in truth, this type of philsophy isn't really my forte....perhaps someone else can speak on my behalf


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