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A theory already exists in theoretical physics where at every chaotic division of chance outcomes a new universe diverges. If you've seen 'Sliders' you'll see how this theory is applied to fiction. The theory originaly developed after it was seen that quantum particles could seemingly follow two seperate routes at the same time, much like tossing a coin and having it come down as both heads and tails at once.

From the point of view of simple physics, the foundation principles including entropy, conservation of energy within a system. It is quite impossible to 'create' new universes simply due to a divergence of chance outcomes. It is humanocentric to percieve such things as important to the universe just because they seem significant to us. Such as the time you avoided an accident by taking a different train or motorway than one you could have chosen. To you it seems significant but to the universe it is just a flowing of energy from one place to another, complicated only by the overly self conscious energy fluctuations in your skull.

There are monks who claimed to have created 'Tulpas' I think they were called. These being fully formed living creatures brought into being by a great effort of will. I for one think this is bullshit. Lots of people have sat down and tried to move a pencil with their minds and such things, if it were possible it would be a common occurance and it is not.

I'd like to add my vote to the 'No it's not a theory' balot. Quite clearly a theory is a well thought out concept which is then supported in its logical coarse by evidence and tested with great vigour for fallacy. 'Anything might possibly be possible' barely registers as a thought.



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05-30-07

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I think its called the Chaos Factor. Its not that bad, it just shows you that if you believe in fate, you have an out if you so opt.
What I meant, was that no matter what, you are not tied to any one future or end... since there are so many, that means that fate is technically nonsense, just another belief for any one of those ways to go.

The Chaos factor shows what would happen if you took one element of your chain reaction of events to the future and removed that element, and explain what would happen.

Such as if I were to have killed an animal, would that animal not be there later on to cause a car accident *a deer in a highway*... or maybe it would have never caused that accident... its all a game of what if, possibilities to which there are infinite of, the chaos factor just explains it.


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05-30-07

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There are monks who claimed to have created 'Tulpas' I think they were called. These being fully formed living creatures brought into being by a great effort of will. I for one think this is bullshit. Lots of people have sat down and tried to move a pencil with their minds and such things, if it were possible it would be a common occurance and it is not.
I like to think it is a possibility. There's so many documented cases of people with incredible "mind-over-matter" power, who's to say that there aren't a very few people who can manipulate the world around them with just their mind. Take the case of the Buddhist (?... maybe Shao Lin) monk that was dug and perfectly preserved after 80 years of interrment. How does that work without chemical preservatives? And don't say minerals in the earth, because graves nearby were decayed after a few years.

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What I meant, was that no matter what, you are not tied to any one future or end... since there are so many, that means that fate is technically nonsense, just another belief for any one of those ways to go.
Off topic a bit here, but that is why time travel would only be possible to the future and not the past. There are so many outcomes that the future is not "set in stone", so to speak. The past is defined, and there fore cannot be changed. I don't even think that it would be possible to even travel back in time because the mere arrival of a futuristic being in the past would cause change, and thus become paradox.



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05-31-07

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07-17-07

The answer in which is seeked is in M Theory, and the String Theories.
Such is something I've been trying to unify with all possiblities, but find the only way is through Fate in some strange world un-comprehensible to us.



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i think we can convince ourselves of anything. when you get to that point where you believe something utterly and completely, the it will eventually become real or possible (maybe just inside your mind but still possible).

i am not a christian and i think the reason jesus was seen as "holy" (no offense to christians or anybody - promise) was because he could "will" himself to do certain things because he believed in them completely, which others saw only as miracles and impossible without divine assistance. of course if you show a celphone to a caveman he's going to fall on his knees and worship you because he doesn't understand it and that is (what i think) the case with jesus - if he ever existed.

it's all just a case of how strong your mind is and what you can do with it. so yes, i believe anything is possible
This is very true. I learned long ago that everything you do can is also how much will you use to accomplish it.

My friends ask me how i manifest what I want. And seem to do things they think are impossible. I tell them, your first mistake was beliving the mental conditioning of the bullshit they tell us in schools and in the media. Also believing all the negative comments from the people around you. Once you realize you have unlimited potential, then you can what others think is impossible.

I am not saying I can will my way to walk on water or fly in the sky. But there are so many amazing things we can do, that we are taught since children to think we can neer do. This is all negative mental conditioning.

If you use will power, and the law of attraction. There is just about nothing you can't do in this world. Every dream or goal can be reached. You just have to see it happening and it will. But this can go for negative thoughts as well.

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Look. Everything is chaos. That's the whole point of the Chaos Theory. In all design, there is a set of instances that can change the outcome of the situation. Call it fate, call it a higher power, call it whatever. But there are factors that play in our lives that we simply have no control over.

I once had a rant that was somewhat related to this. In it I ramble about how I believe you can manifest certain things through an exertion of will, but cannot perform the inverse because it is already proven to exist. It would prove parodixical to try and "unmanifest" anything.
That is true everything does seem to be chaos sometimes. That is why I try to avoid people and things that would lead me into chaos. I like to have as much control over my life as possible. But as you said sometimes things happen that are out of our hands. This is why I never lose sight of my goals. And keep moving towards them not matter what happens.

As for manifesting things by the power of wil. This is very true and I use this often. But I am always careful to be sure that what I want to manifest is the true desire I want. Because like you said, you can't un manifest something. Unless someone else's will was working against yours at the exact time and was stronger.

That is one reason to keep most of your personal goals and things you want to manifest secret. So no one will try to sabatage your minifestations.


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Also, what about empiricism? Empirical observations are perhaps the most prime example of a human flaw, and it's philosophical attributes. Why, that's not an orange circle hovering in the sky that seems to circle us . . . it's a big ball of burning gas that we orbit around! Now, empiricism and perception can be pretty decieving, does that mean that those things exist? Do mirages exist? Hallucinations? As an absurdist, I will say yes, but there's a key fundamental difference between physical existence (such as, it's just a door frame) and metaphysical existence (it looks like the house's skeleton [the door frame] because I'm on LSD). Both exist, but not in the same manner.
The balance between empiricism, perception, and agreement among sentient beings (in our case, humans) is what can be deemed consensual reality.

Since empiricism and perceptions are flawed, then how do we know what is ever accurate? Not just on a personal level, but on a global level. Is accuracy dependent on the amount of people who agree that something is so? Or are we simply left to never truly know what is right in front of us since each one of us has flawed perceptions?

Perhaps all this time we've been deceived and that orange ball in the sky really is floating around us. How many of us have had the chance to actually fly out into space and truly see the orbit of the earth around the sun? Or should we merely believe in the "discoveries" that scientists have made? You know, those scientists with flawed perceptions.


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07-20-07

Dude, what if we're all like... people, dude?

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LOL I am also hungry. I must now go eat chips. Doritos are good. ^^^^


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The last time I did dramamine you could convince me 2 +2 = 5.


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