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11-24-02

*blushes and bangs geek head against the wall to make it stop*



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11-24-02

NOOO! *kisses Tentacled head* I like Geek.


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11-24-02

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As someone who has a very comprehensive knowledge of physics (no really!) As nuclear reactors demonstrate (so it's not just theory!) all matter is composed of forces and forces = Energy...The amount of energy in any object is quantafiable by how much mass (also it's vectors e.g acceleration) it has..the equation E=MC2 covers the amount of energy of any given material object.

All objects with mass create gravity...this is a property of space/time that I won't discuss as it would have to be defined at great lengh and it's effects are still controvercial..Quantum physics has shown two particles can be entangled (e.g photons) so that they share the same properties no matter how far apart...move one, the other moves the same. In the world we see material objects seem quite solid but in the quantum view the universe is a swirling fluid mass of interacting energy....impossible to predict how we and our universe can interact...psychic or paranormal phenomena may be simply undiscovered connections.
Summed up:"We should be open minded"

Ever found a part of the body that breaks photons(or any other natural energy form) down or seen information stored on one? What I`m saying is that you can see this energy interact already, in solid mass and chemical interaction. A hope that there is a connection beyond will always be held with no evidence and all theory even in the face of proof that validates most of the mystical beliefs it will never be enough because its too real. *Sigh*...
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11-24-02

The point you are so graciously missing is that science doesn't even begin to explain the ways things interact, chemical reactions the smaller you go the less obvious the interaction becomes. And what is it you say is 'natural'? natural as you seem to think is anything that occurs around us that logicaly makes sense should happen. This is yet another false argument. Nothing happens because it is meant to happen, things just happen. Trying to introduce cause and effect into this is called science.
We know for a fact there are interactions going on 'Naturaly' that we have no comprehension of. I'm not saying keep an open mind i'm saying.
"everything we know to be true is most likely false, the laws of physics are turned on thier head at least once a century, try not to be so cock sure, assume we know nothing "



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11-24-02

The same thing more or less then. Best to go for the most unrealistic/complex answer or provide none though rather than the other ones that are presenting themselves.
Even saying its based on a combonation of advanced pheromone emition and the power of suggestion is more realistic than beams of psychic energy.


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11-25-02

Hey Red, I take it you've never experienced anything that can't be explained by science.....is that right?


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11-25-02

I`ve had 2 hallucinations(no drugs/drink involved) and had a lucid dream once or twice. If they count then yes by your standards, if not then no.


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11-25-02

I think there's no point trying to understand the world. Tent confused me from the moment he said science but i get what he means.
I mean we simply except things about how we communicate and think etc in a world where science is stranger than fiction nothing is too weird not to happen! x
  
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11-25-02

p.s sharks find creatures using thier electromagnetic whotsit how can you say that we can't do the same just cos we havent found out how yet, i mean sharks are much less complicated yes!?
  
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11-25-02

You sure its electromagnetic? I know they can be repelled with light shocks but thats it.
AESWardell : How do sharks communicate with each other?

Dr. Gruber : Communication--olfactory signals, shape and size and patterns, body postures are visual cues.

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11-25-02

This is in fact true nice one inci!...hammer head sharks are shaped that way to widen thier ability to sweep the sea bottom detecting the electric signitures of animals hidden beneath the sand....Studies into the ability of blindfolded ppl to predict wether somebody was looking at them or not have shown results significantly above chance to suggest something odd is going on. As all animals humans use electricity within nerves to send signals within the body but little research has been done into the external effects of the bodies nerve pulses.



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Personaly I liked the guy who said grass could talk in that way.


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11-26-02

that guy may have had something...allways thought cows were evil...now i know they must enjoy the screams of thier innocent green victims..MOO Ha Ha Ha



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11-26-02

Nope he wasnt on drugs or anything.He could pick up small singals from grass blades if they were cut but it turns out they were just randomly made.I foget how they explained it something to do with atoms still being released after one was cut.


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11-26-02

What of the psychic communication between mothers and their children. I have had so many of these experiences I couldn't count them all. I'm sure others have heard of this if not experienced it. I must admit the older he becomes the less we do it.
If you believed the phenomenom did exist, would you say the more we deny it the more we will repress and eventually lose the ability?


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Parental instinct and body language. You`d be surpised how many times people feel things that some call pyschic but it turns out that nothing happened, everyone only remembers the times they do happen. Unless you can hear their thoughts in which case I`ll go for the drug excuse since I thought it was funny that Tentacle mentioned them before me.
Dunno could be as easy as riding a bike, you just get back on and remember or like trying to finish a poem you started a year ago but realise you cant because you`re a different person.


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I do tend to agree with the view that most things ppl consider to be 'magical' or supernatural are easily explained by already known science. Women with babies during the breast feeding stage find that they lactate (produce milk) just as or even before the baby starts to cry to be fed. (my own mother testifies to this that when i cried milk began to flow) however it seems likely that this is an instinctual behaviour that evolved to make breast feeding more efficiant, an unfed baby is a dead baby after all.

Instinct in this case means a deeper level of genetic programming shaping the brain without outside interference. As a social species anything that allows us to interact more efficiantly with our own kind has evolutionarily speaking a high chance of existing. Psychic abilities may be down to rather unimpressive easily explainable scientific facts such as body language but like placebos, if they work who cares?



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11-27-02

I am a major skeptic. The situations I'm referring to are like, me driving the car (no body language there) thinking of something that has not even been discussed, totally irrelevent subject and my son just popped out with the exact words I was thinking. He has even answered questions that I'd been thinking about as if I'd said them out loud.....I've thought of the genetics and dna coding etc, nothing could account for it, they were random.

As far as using the 'baby cry, mother starts leaking' that is totally a physiological reaction from the mother, happens to all who breastfeed that I know of.


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11-27-02

Yes that was my point...it's an evolutionary feature of humanity. I also consider the things you just mentioned to be down to our natural ability to empathise with those closest to us. The most impressive examples are twins..some twins are seemingly able to hold whole conversations without speaking. I have had the same shared thought effect with my sister, however it is logical to say that people who are exposed to the same stimuli will more often deliver a similair responce. It is not a psychic link I believe but the effect of developing similair patterns of thought to those people you know very well.

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If you put the same Sh*t in two different bins, pretty much the same sh*t will come out.



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Didnt I make a long answer to you in proverbs with handy referances that you asked for?No answer there so far *taps foot*.


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