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Gosh, I love that  .
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Yeah I like discordain humor.:p
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hehe
SEX SEX SEX
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09-30-02
damn secret societies...
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09-30-02
How about following that up with a knight or a knave comment..
Everything passes away - suffering, pain, blood, hunger, pestilence. The sword will pass away too, but the stars will still remain when the shadows of our presence and our deeds have vanished from the earth. There is no man who does not know that. Why, then, will we not turn our eyes towards the stars? Why?
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so they want us to consume friendly deviousness, tell us marry had more than one child(jesus has siblings?) and to be whole you have to obey god while having sex three times? *shrugs* damn they're evil...silly knaves 
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Paradox or contradiction?
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10-02-02
Fuck you, Sir. I just got a mother of a headache trying to reason with that phrase...lol...
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Here's what I came up with...its jus a loop...but I'm bored enough to put time into this, so here goes...
Is this a true statement? No. Because it has to be false. Except that in being false, it is true. Which can't happen, becuase the statement is false. But in being false, it is true. Which can't happen, because the statement is false....
Repeat.
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You just have to stop thinking that the statement has to be either true or false. Why cant it just be partialy both or nothing at all?
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because people dont want to see truth as fluid... because absolute Truth is unattainable, all other truths are in the grey area where they are neither Absolutely TRUE or Absolutely FALSE... people dont like that concept because of the stigma attached to lies... since all truths are poisoned with some sort of lie... well, you can see where i am going, yes?
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Yeah I`ve seen it explained that way before.
I dont believe truth should be fluidic myself its just that somethings defy logic so well that they can not be counted as either true or not.If the attempt to understand the illogical is bound by it having to be either true or false then the statement has to be adapted or there has to be a third option other than true and false.A opinion is a good third option because that in my mind is the only form where people have fluidic 'truth'.
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Well, first we have to dissect words. A statement that is false is any statement that is not truth. A statement that is truth is something that correlates to what's inside reality. A statement cannot create truth; it can only reflect it. No arranging of words will ever create a truth that does not already exist. "Orange monkeys fourteen times", although not a lie, is not a truth, and therefore, false. In this train of thought, the statement "This statement is false" deals only with itself, and is therefore outside of reality, making it false.
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10-04-02
Nice DM  .
A nice addition on the subject of loops; (I'm getting this from the book by Hofstadter), has anyone heard of Gödel's theorem?
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I have not.
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10-05-02
Nor have I. And DM, could you explain why it would simply be false according to your logic? Because I can't see it.
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Quote: Originally posted by Dark Messiah
I have not. | Complete paraphrase; I'd need to get out my book, but essentially it proves that no closed system can be proven. Particularly, he used a large Mathematical compendium (yikes my memory is alluding me; I think it's by Whitehead and another), and within this, his very intense theorem could not be proven.
This theorem does not, however, persist with holy works, as these require faith, not logic; logic is the entire basis of mathematics.
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That made no sense to me at the moment, Sir, so I'm just going to go to what I can get from what DM said.... Quote: |
"This statement is false" deals only with itself, and is therefore outside of reality, making it false.
| Except if its false, then it cannot be, because that would make it true. Etcetera.
I don't see how it could ever stop anywhere.
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I think the falsehood DM is describing sounds like irrelvance.If something can not exist in reality, can not be true or false then it is nothing, it has no substance.
It turns the system of understanding of the statement from a "is it or isnt it correct" to a "its just words nothing more" one.
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10-08-02
Yeah, but DM can't say its false in that case. Its null.
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