i'll state again.

but anyways. it's so ironic that good minds(misogynistic) go unnoticed in this condescending sea of psuedo-intellectuals. most of the people that post here are very bland, boring, and unoriginal. someone comes along to make a point in a rather amusing way and it goes over everyones stupid head.

there's a philosophy club here at the uni im going to. i ventured into one of their meetings for the first time today. we were watching waking life, which i must say is a wonderful, wonderful movie. afterwards there was a very lame and effusive discussion about the symbolisms, and applications of this movie. it was so appaling. this fat girl named...., fuck i forgot her name she was so stupid. but anyways she's like

"HI, I'm [insert dumb fucking name], and i'm the vice president of the philosophy club."

like that was suppose to make her smart or insightful or some shit. the girl was an idiot. so were most of the other people in the club. they were all in their together. making statements, proposals. coming up with ideas and thoughts and then sharing them. stupid ideas, stupid thoughts, stupid statements. they were fermenting in stupidity, blinded by their own ignorance of authentic cognition. i wanted to say something, at least some thoughts on the movie to open the door into the director's purpose, but i anticipated the futility of it.

people reach a certain point when they realize they have no grasp on LIFE. no understanding of purpose. for some reason, when they reach this realization, they grab for anything. they pull ideas from their upbringing, the media, their religions, their peers, dead people who other people call philosophers, from anywhere; and they create this library of codes and thoughts that they catalogue in the recesses of their brains. and when they are confronted with questions or problems or statements or any kind of stimuli they go to this stupid library and pull out what they think is proper to respond to these stimuli. it's fucking pathetic. and when someone comes along and displays understanding, or logic, or original ideas no one knows what the fuck to do. cuz they don't know how to fucking think. they pull out their cards from their fucking catalogues and spew out all this stupid shit that doesn't make any fucking sense but in some backwards way seems to match the subject at hand.

it's so rare, it's so rare and so beautiful when someone comes along who is older, who's been here a while, and can still say "I don't know" instead of making up for it with some stupid set of rules they have stowed away in their brains. it's natural and healthy for the human mind to want to progress. but when it pretends it is somewhere it's not, progression is impossible. it makes inquiry completely useless. and inquiry is the first step to progression.

Oh, so someone is an idiot if they don't agree with you. Gotcha.

I fail to see what abilities of argumentation set Misogynistic above the "sea of condescending pseudo-intellectuals."

Do I "understand LIFE" as you put it? No, and I certainly hope I never do. Understanding is something I will continually strive for, yet if I ever achieve it, nothing will be left to live for.

Dark, the one thing I got from your post, primarily, was this:

"making statements, proposals. coming up with ideas and thoughts and then sharing them. stupid ideas, stupid thoughts, stupid statements. they were fermenting in stupidity, blinded by their own ignorance of authentic cognition. i wanted to say something, at least some thoughts on the movie to open the door into the director's purpose, but i anticipated the futility of it."

So, they were TRYING to understand it. They were conversing, sharing thoughts, GREAT. Who are you, and why is no one worshipping you, to say that they are "wrong" or "stupid?" Why else did you not say anything outside of mere cowardice?

I've presented before a panel of mathematics professors before, and I have in fact been able to stand there and say "I don't know" to a question (granted, mathematics is a lot easier to argue, in my opinion, than philosophy). I've also been a member of an informal philosophy club headed by my roommate, who was vice-president of the University philosophy club at 17 years of age. Did he know his stuff? Sure. Was he perfect? Hell no (he got his ideas of determinism from me ).

"Inquiry is the first step to progression."

Then why are you mocking their attempts at inquiry?

"There was never a conflict without a woman.
(ALBANIAN PROVER"

Is a woman technically in the conflict if two men argue about how to treat women? And how in the hell do you expect that to be taken outside of a joke? (Spoken from watching many fights between men when there was absolutely no way to relate a woman to the conflict at hand; usually sports).



"A woman is made of nectar and poison.
(ARABIC PROVER"

You can find better than that; watch this:

"BELLADONNA, n.
In Italian a beautiful lady; in English a deadly poison. A striking example of the essential identity of the two tongues."

"WOMAN, n.
An animal usually living in the vicinity of Man, and having a rudimentary susceptibility to domestication. It is credited by many of the elder zoologists with a certain vestigial docility acquired in a former state of seclusion, but naturalists of the postsusananthony period, having no knowledge of the seclusion, deny the virtue and declare that such as creation's dawn beheld, it roareth now. The species is the most widely distributed of all beasts of prey, infesting all habitable parts of the globe, from Greeland's spicy mountains to India's moral strand. The popular name (wolfman) is incorrect, for the creature is of the cat kind. The woman is lithe and graceful in its movement, especially the American variety (felis pugnans), is omnivorous and can be taught not to talk.
Balthasar Pober"

- The Devil's Dictionary, Ambrose Bierce, http://www.alcyone.com/max/lit/devils/

I mean, really, get out some; there are much wittier comments to be made than citing a bunch of proverbs gathered from the same source.

Yes I was trying to make a point. I'm just too abstract to make direct points for people to connect instantly with. Thank you, Jordyn. You do it better'n me! I swear. How've you been?

I wholeheartedly agree with you. But I do have one question to add to this quote:
"making statements, proposals. coming up with ideas and thoughts and then sharing them. stupid ideas, stupid thoughts, stupid statements. they were fermenting in stupidity, blinded by their own ignorance of authentic cognition. i wanted to say something, at least some thoughts on the movie to open the door into the director's purpose, but i anticipated the futility of it."

Why would dark darkness want to say something that will open the door into the director's purpose? See, what I'm thinking is, is a bit abstract, but I'll do my best to explain. When the students watched the movie, they weren't wondering anything about what the director thought. He was simply the creator of the film. Rather, they talked about the film itself. About how it would apply to real life, would it not? In my experiences, the films I've watched with my classes, we usually relate to real-world concepts to get a better understanding.

That doesn't make anyone be labeled "stupid" or "wrong." I've always thought that in philosophy, there aren't ANY right or wrong answers. Just how the philosopher takes it.

obviously there are some delusions of grandeur somewhere in this thread... i wont say who, more than likely im gonna have angry emails from everyone... thank you jordyn, Sir, and Savage for keeping mainly to the topic... the rest of you... GET BACK ON IT (IE stop bitching about unrelated things and move on)

not bad...it's nice to see you back...however on topic i've read a bit on philosophers and many did have issues relating with women, but i think it's because of the times that many of the great philosophers lived...wome were more often still in a subservient position in their society for example kant's biggest issue with women stemmed from his mother(funny how they can ruin an entire outlook on life) but i think what the issue is with philosophers is they are extreme thinkers...and a lot of people can't comprehend their levels...it's these same people that think intelligence and thought are the same thing...even stupid people can have more original thoughts than intelligent people...philosophers are thinkers that enjoy that ability

It's good to be back. Been a while, and I'm glad to be thinking dark again, all those cheery outside world's been trying to take me over.
Well, typically it's true. Back then, the men had to rule because the living conditions were harsh, and they didn't have modern things like machines and air conditioning and even medicine. It was a crude, rude, harsh and evil world back then. It's the same today, but a bit more civilized... ain't it so ironic?
And I've read in the 1700's that women writers had to use a man's name in secret to write their stories. One such book I've read last year was written by such a woman. I can't think of the title though... Oh, right. It's Wuthering Heights.
I've always thought philosophers were naturals at being thinkers. How they come up with concepts that are new, original and refreshing is mysterious, isn't it? Perhaps it could've been the women who urged things along... *Laugh.* As if the men would ever accept things like that.

i'm sure women urged things along, it's rather interesting how much time the opposite sex think of eachother...and in most instances a woman of some kind was involved...men just got credit for the good things, and women blamed for the bad...

i never said that. stop imagining things.

like i said before, it is because it went over your head.



there was some marx guy, he use to be this really bitter sociologist back in the day, i think his name was Karl Marx. he was a really bitter guy. he said the purpose of understanding the world was so that we would know how to change it. change is usually the product of the actions of heroes. no mayonaise please, it gives me gas.


the thing is, they weren't trying to understand the movie at all. they were trying to make themselves believe that they were trying to understand the movie. which was actually really funny. not funny queer, funny ha ha.



i am an observer, stating an observation. i don't believe i said they were wrong. that would be dumb. i did say they were stupid though. what i meant to say was that they were very, very stupid. but i'm sure the gist came across.

and i did address the issue of my silence. there were, however latent implications. so i will elaborate on the one statement i made. i was physically in a room with other human beings(i am not a computer by the way). because of this i had to mind manners and give heed to politics, as is usually the case when in the presence of your peers. my silence was due to a number of things. one was to mitigate the alienation i already had. it was also to save my peers from intellectual embarrassment. but mostly it was because it would have been pointless. which is what i said in my first post. i would have said something and they would have responded with their catalogued ideas, and we would have gotten no where. kind of like what happened here. besides, im sure it would have created alot of hostility as i am not good with sugar coating. i mean look at JESUS. he came to save the jews and they nailed him to a fucking cross.

i don't see why you decided to post this. i don't care much for credentials. it will only make you seem credible to half-wits. look at George W. Bush. it is impossible to pretend to know the answers to empirical questions. pretending to know the answers to questions of understanding however, is not. which is why we have so many psuedo intellectuals floating around.

i answered this already. because their inquiries were useless. it's like eight year olds trying to factor polynomials or some shit. it is going to get them nowhere. they would have to realize there's a lot they don't understand yet. they'd have to say "wait a minute, we don't even know how to do arithmetic ." then they'd know where to start, then they would know what to inquire about, then they would be able to progress.

Because of what Eve's done, all written up in the Holy Bible and even in other religions their point of view, women will always be viewed as wicked and sinful. I prefer to believe in Lilith, though...
-Of course men got all the credit back in those days... It was a male world and those bigoted idiots back then would never accept anything from a woman. It was generally believed that women were soft, weak, and had small brains, from which stemmed the belief that they weren't that smart.
--Makes me wonder just how men couldn't see that women managed everything in the household... affairs like late-night parties and making the menus for food to hiring servants and even managing the accounts. Sure, men had their more important duties, but they pale in comparison to the fact that women did the everyday basic living to keep everyone comfortable.
And we still get blamed for the bad!

Your reasons for calling them stupid are pretty much just the fact that you disagree with them.

By this logic, what I said went over your head, since you didn't agree with me. I don't have to agree with something to notice merit in an argument, and I see no merit in his.

Show me a man who claims to understand the world, and I'll laugh.

Are you omnipotent? Can you see inside their minds? How do you know they weren't trying to understand the movie?

And I fail to see justifiable reasoning; note, I dislike when an argument's basis relies on disproving a person's credibility; it usually falls flat in the face of disproving their arguments instead.

Again this implies omnipotence, cowardice, or laziness. What would be wrong with making a statement? If they ignored you, you can always leave.

You see, that word. "Useless." I dislike that word, because you, one fallible human being, are calling the attempt at inquiry of several fallible human beings "useless." You mentioned you dislike credentials; are you more likely to believe a high school dropout you have never heard of in your life, or a college professor who have never heard of in your life? You are in college, correct? You must put some meat into credentials, or you wouldn't believe a word a professor said.

And just to let the matter stand, several eight year olds can factor polynomials; certainly, they are an extreme minority, but hey. I know I could factor out cubed numbers and the like by that time, through no help by the damn school system.

This doesn't prove anything, but an interesting read: http://www.aslan.demon.co.uk/sim-mad.htm

Note: I will post some anti-misogynist quotes sometime later.

*sigh* whatever doubtful value those proverbs may have had in ancient societies, the fact remains that gender is irrelevant. The lines between the two conventional genders are much more blurry than most like to believe, and the two artificially created gender roles have been rendered obsolete by science and medicine.

tell that to victoria secret and the chippendales...