Share and share alike so we know who will be first against the wall.


I'm of the live and let live variety of person. You do your thing and I'll do mine, don't judge me and I won't judge you unless something you do hurts me.

But that's just basic human interaction.

The grand scheme of things is a little more complex, but equally lazy.

I believe the question of God is moot since there is no tangible evidence. Whether said God exists or not has no bearing on my short life, so I prefer to actually LIVE said life rather than worry which God to worship and what rules of their's to follow.

I believe the mind is the seat of the soul in that once the mind is gone, the body is an empty shell of spare parts.

I believe that man needs contact with others in order to flourish. It is possible to live completely alone, but not recommended.

Nice Rouge ...Crazy Rouge ,..Errant you are ...

I belive ive posted mine before ..As the answer system I use is my own ..

The I-CHI-AL ( ALL ARE ONE )
GOD = MIND = REALITY
JESUS = BODY = MATTER
HOLY GHOST = SPIRIT = ENERGY
ALL ARE ONE .

So my philosofical take on my system is since we are all one.,. wrong and right can become fuzzy exept for the basic that we all can create and be positive or become negative and distructive ,And since everything is connected we will do both but we have the choice since in this form we are given MIND thus we can affect our REALITY
However as humans we are but a shadow of our potential since we are all GOD but we all have much to learn thus all the limitations we put against our selfs ,You know no flying ,punching through cars,no fireballs etc. because I belive due to the set up that were all conected and all learning we should be able to do as we please as long as it does not conflict with anothers existance in an overly distruptive manner kind of the ol LIVE and let LIVE thing ,and none of us has the right to impose their will on another short of guidence ..we are all the same yet different ..dammit im going to have to clear all this up later !! Im just not in the right frame of mind for this right now ..but thats sorta the basics ...Mostly LIVE AND LET LIVE ,TREAT OTHERS AS YOU WOULD LIKE TO BE TREATED ( BE CAUSE THEY ARE YOU !) ALL ARE ONE ...an I aint saying we cant kill each other but we shouldnt have to !

Personaly I think it would have been better if all of ROME and the known world couldnt harm Jesus ...Jesus the EVER LIVING or the INVULNURABLE vs that guy they killed ( SAME AS ALOT OF PPL back then !) and he supposedly came back shure looks like the established religions won type of story ..WTF !!?? Would'nt it have been a kicker if he had made a PUBLIC apperance after DEATH and then left after he made the point that "HEY IM THE SON OF GOD or GOD in the Flesh !! yadda yadda BOW DOWN ! LOL ..well yeah you dont have to belive me CHOOSE your own path ...well now that you suckers know YOU CANT KILL ME and my TRUTH I'll be seeing YOU " then gets a cool exit .. versus the whole faith system that just blows !!

J.C.'s story just sucks to me and I dont think i'll ever get it ! no matter how many ways i look at it it was POINTLESS !! and kinda STUPID ! .im gonna love telling him that someday lol !!!

Besides GOD an ME are BUDDIES !!

the story of Buddah is the exact same story of JC....only older.....fancy that

my philosophy....well, i got for some the actual terms

first and foremost, i'm an Existentialist.....i don't believe in God, i only believe in the self....i am all i know exists, though there's a 99.999999% chance things i percieve empirically (like you) exist as well.....but, i believe in the "self" and believe in being this "self" rather than tryin' to be sumtin' else....i fear no eternal damnation or anything, only society....

i don't believe in morality...per se.....i mean, i am a moral person, and think itz good to have morals, but i believe morality is that whiched robbed humanity of itz full potential....itz what restricts us.....

i'm an aestheticist......meaning, i believe only in existence....and as thus, everything should technically be considered beautiful....although, this is just a human term....but relatively speaking, a person living is as beautiful as a person dying since they're both a part of existence....

i believe in the metaphysical.....i.e. the mind/soul/essence/dreams/imagination/unicorns, etc......i believe these things exist, just not physically.....

i think physical time is linear while the metaphysical is infinite/circular

i don't believe in God (the christian diety) but i won't rule out the existence of a necessary being, although i don't full heartedly believe in it....i believe in existence...and only existence....i don't see how anyone can conceive of "non-existence"....itz a contradiction in terms.....

but, in speakin' of God, i don't believe in Him based on the Philosophy on the Problem of Evil.....
1. God is all good
2. God is all powerful
3. evil exists....
i don't buy any concieved notion of God or argument justifying the existence of evil, except for the aesthetic argument, but this only requires a necessary being and not God....

also, i think good and evil are merely human terms.....

um.....i think that about covers it with me......oh, i don't believe in Destiny....but i don't believe in Free-will necessarily......but yeah, i think thatz about it....

Yeah SIX Self is big on the SELF too LOL !!

Your system seems fine to me !

""i think physical time is linear while the metaphysical is infinite/circular""

Very cool concept ..I can see this ..de Ja vu etc.

GOD's image = MIND, BODY,& SOUL .. race and species not so important ....

And yes ALOT of or societys rules Dampen our eartly potential !! ESP the CHURCHES !!

I had this debate with myself (and others) a little while ago as I was considering turning to satanism...

Trouble is... I hate organized religon and to me (after reading The Satanic Bible) satanism is just another religous sect that I can not abide...

I chose to be without religon and stick by my own philosophy (some of which is exteracted from the Satanic Bible)

I'm a humanist... I believe that if someone wrongs me, I will take my revenge... I believe that negative people in my life are to be cast out of my life... I believe that whatever I hope for or want in life I must do it on my own.

I believe that if I do something wrong, I will atone for it and never make the same mistake again... If I do then I obviously didn't feel that bad about it and I am not that sorry.

Again, with the whole guilt thing... I believe that it is a pointless emotion that stops us from growing as people. I think that all of the wrongs I did made me feel guilty but I am not going to dwell upon them. I see them as turning points in my life and I grow as person each time I fuck up.

I see a few of my luxuries (as some people would put them as 'habits') as something I enjoy doing (like smoking) I do not see them as weaknesses as I chose and enjoy these activities. I believe that people are stupid, they live for a death that is really, uncertian and me... I live for the here and now because that is all I have that I know I am certain of.

I believe in love, to those who deserve it, I believe that I can't love everyone and I believe that love and hate are two instints that man can not live without. I believe in following my instincts and embrace who I am and embrace life. I question everything, to the point where I become so doubtful that I can not trust many people and even those people I trust arouse doubt in my mind. Why? Because I want the knowledge denied to the people who walk blindly...

Do I believe in god? Do I believe in the Devil? Absolutely not. They were created by man in order to control and deny us the exact thing we live for... That is being alive and embracing who we are deep down... We are mammals with instincs, just like any dog, cat, lion, tiger, ape etc...

Yeah thats my philosophy... heh

I guess I would be a sort of agnostic Hindu, not because I specifically chose that but because that's the closest to describing what I believe.


I believe that we exist in one form that the Universe has taken. I believe that the Big Bang and the Big Crunch are directly linked in a cycle; incarnations of the Universe are formed and die over eternity in both directions. There is no true beginning or end. Over eternity each personality, each soul is recreated through simple probability; over a great enough period of time, even with an infinite number of possible souls, a soul will be created that is identical to yours. And this is reincarnation.

I believe that the World reflects the attitude of those in it, and that our attitudes affect each other. This is karma. It is not truly fair. Bad things happen to good people, and bad people get away with lives of wickedness and greed. I believe that the only way to create justice is if people actively stand up for what is right. The strength of evil is to be unhindred by the limits of morality. Good's only strength over evil is that those who see the conflict should feel compelled to support the side of good.

I believe that there is an eternnal truth. We will die in time, and we will be forgotten, and everything that we know, civilization, the World, the Sun, the stars, and this Universe will die. But we will have been here, and that can not be altered with time. If God exists, as I want to believe, then God is the truth in eternity.

Matthew 19:16-26

'16 And behold one came and said to him: Good master, what good shall I do that I may have life everlasting? 17 Who said to him: Why asketh thou me concerning good? One is good, God. But if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 18 He said to him: Which? And Jesus said: Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness. 19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. 20 The young man saith to him: All these I have kept from my youth, what is yet wanting to me?

21 Jesus saith to him: If thou wilt be perfect, go sell what thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come follow me. 22 And when the young man had heard this word, he went away sad: for he had great possessions. 23 Then Jesus said to his disciples: Amen, I say to you, that a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. 24 And again I say to you: It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of heaven. 25 And when they had heard this, the disciples wondered very much, saying: Who then can be saved?

26 And Jesus beholding, said to them: With men this is impossible: but with God all things are possible

1. God is all good
2. God is all powerful
3. Evil exists

God cannot break the rules of logic (i.e., He cannot make a circle with corners).....God cannot "learn" (if indeed He is all-knowing...)

sorry....i just wanted to be a lil' prick.....carry on

That only creates a contradiction if you believe in the subtext


2a) God controls what happens in the World.

not true.....what about the "free-will" argument?

Sure he can: he created logic, why couldn't he break the rules?

because itz not justified...itz illogical...

itz a fairly simple concept....a cirlce by standard definition is something that is perfectly round....for Him to create a cirlce with corners is unjustifed when concerning the very standard definition of what a circle truly is....

or if you'd like something a little more profound....if you believe in God....try this on for size....

everything existing physically requires a "parent" so to speak....that is, you cannot have been you if it weren't for your parents, and them without their parents, and them without theirs, and so on and so on until you finally determine that God is the ultimate parent and that nothing can exist physically without the beginning, the creator, God, yaddah, yaddah, yaddah......you try and prove to me that it is justifiable to have something come into existence physically without a parent, in a world/universe where physical existence is void, without God having a hand in this.....

but above all, tryin' to use the argument "He created logic, He can break the rules" isn't justified.....itz a reasoning that requires no justification whatsoever and relies solely on the idea of faith, and quite frankly, itz a cop-out to the argument itself.....

I think it's reasonable to believe that a being who created logic could also trancend it.

Well therin lies the conundrum. If God isn't the parent, who/what is? or is there one?

I disagree with the idea that God circumvents logic. It seems out of keeping with the idea of God being epitomized as the Truth. There's little Truth to the scheme of the Universe if it's allowed to break it's own rules, especially on a fundamental aspect. Statements that simply don't have a truth value shouldn't be applied to it, such as "Can God paint the flavor liberty?" or the more famous "Can God make a rock so heavy" argument.


By the same token, if we're to assume that God follows it's own rules, then why shouldn't there be evil given free will? It is only when free will is taken away from the equation that you can argue that such a God is directly responsible for evil. We're the ones that make evil on a day to day basis.

If something is transcendental, that means it transcends different levels of truth. God is the highest level of truth, while logic is truly limited and can't give our lives the meaning we crave. Logic is purely human and while it may be absolute and 2 + 2 = 4 no matter where you are in the universe, come hell or high water, that can't tell you shit about how to live your life.

Who cares if logic is such a great and mighty truth? I want to fall in love, I want to marry, I want children, I want them to grow up safe and happy. I want to have a happy and working relationship with my wife. I want to be ethical and good, to set a good example for my children, so that theyw ill be ethical and good.

What the fuck is logic going to do to help me get all that?

Now, I'm not saying that logic is useless. Logical thinking is part of being an intelligent, critical person. Examining your own life and the world around you, logic truly comes in handy. But logic is neutral. Using logic purely, aesthetics, morals, and metaphysics get bracketed out. If we're using reason over truer methods of understanding, our lives will be empty and meaningless indeed.

Where does that leave God? Everywhere! har har.

Anyway, God is the great transcender. Think of a symphony. God isn't the key or tiem signature of that particular symphony, God is tone and tempo.

now thatz a justified argument Mr. Guy.....long time no see...

you do realize that the Free-Will argument is the most absurd....even a majority of Theologians disagree with it.....St. Augustine himself criticized how ridiculous it was...

but here's why Free-Will fails...

it still contradicts premise 1 and 2....

if God is all good....yet, human's created evil.....then:
A. God created man, man created evil, thus God created evil....or rather, God created a being which is capable of evil, in which God still created evil....

B. if God is all good, then how can God punish? the act of punishing is an evil act in that the punisher must recognize and understand evil in order to punish it.....an all-good being would be incapable of having such knowledge in that an all-good being would push/resist as far away from evil as possible.....but, the fact remains that if we are granted Free-Will, then why are we punished by choosing what we choose to do? how can we be punished? the idea that you're rewarded for doing this yet punished for doing that is biased.....more over, it contradicts the very noton of Free-Will....in that, you have Free-Will to do as you wish, but only if you "repent" are you able to receive forgiveness from God.....but if we choose not to "repent" then such forgiveness isn't given.....itz biased.....also, if Free-Will were real, and if we truly did have Free-Will, and God allots for it, then God shouldn't be able to punish us for doin' sumtin' he allots.....

but the biggest problem with the Free-Will argument is:
C. it contradicts the power of God.....if humans did indeed create evil via Free-Will, then humans did something God did not do.....humans are their own god in creating good and evil....not God......how can humans have created evil as opposed to the almighty, all-powerful God......more over, it also contradicts God's power in that the Free-Will argument would thus state: God cannot have created evil without creating Free-Will......what kind of all-powerful God is that?

i have a lot of animosity towards the Free-Will argument....simply because i find it very hypocritical that theologians have tried time and time again to convince to church to get rid of the Free-Will argument in that it is the most absurd argument for the existence of evil......but, the church feels that itz the best way simple-minded followers can understand the existence of evil....it is much easier to say humans are the cause of evil rather than God.....but the argument fails in itz logic....