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Parallel Universes - 05-22-02

I was thinking about this, so tell me if this makes sense at all.

Theoritically, every time we make a decision, for example I answer "Yes" to a question, there should be a parallel universe where I answered "No" created at that moment. That decision might affect events in that universe, or it might not. That doesn't matter. Then more decisions will create more parallel universes as these new ones progress.

So basically, every time someone makes a decision, a parallel (or more than one, depending on the amount of possible decisions) universe is created. Meaning an infinite amount of parallel universes created at any given moment, as decisions are made by the people on the planet multiple times every second.

Does this make sense? I thought it might be interesting to talk about. It brings up some interesting questions. What if Hitler woke up and decided Jews weren't bad? What if Saddam said "You know, I think Iraq would make a good democracy." You really wonder how things would have turned out then.


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05-22-02

If I remember correctly, there have been many things based on this line of thought; books, plays, even television programs. It is astounding where you can go if you follow this line of thought. If it were true, it would bring into focus an entirely new mode of thought. If you consider every action you take, and the fact that there must be a reaction ...but what of those reactions you don't see?

It's damned-near mind-boggling the myriad possibilities of thought involved in this particular discussion ..
  
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05-22-02

I remember in my psych class, we were talking about something similar. Whenever you flip a coin, it ALWAYS has a 50/50 chance of landing on heads or tails... but what if there's another dimension or universe where it lands the other way? We argued for days, but the conclusion we came up with (not unanimously of course) is that in THIS universe, or dimension, it doesn't particularly matter whether that coin lands heads or tails, because the other possiblity instantly vanishes from our know existance, until it's flipped again. So in that effect, if the same thing happened in the other dimension/universe, then we really don't have anything to worry about, because it won't affect us, just like our coin flipping won't affect them.


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05-23-02

The only real problem I have with this theory is I don't believe that on the grander scale of things that the human race is all that important.

And if we were that important, if we really do influence the creation of whole universes I'm not quite sure I'd be comfortable with the responsability.

I'd be even less comfortable with the ammount of stoopid fuckheads in the world, what kind of universes are they creating??




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05-23-02

hmm.. maybe theres an opposite sex version of us in some other dimension/universe.
  
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05-23-02

*shrug* In another universe, your mom might have said "No" when your dad popped the question.

These universes aren't going to affect us, true, but it would be interesting to see what some of them were like.

And we don't really have a responsibility. We're not important. Every creature does this. There might be a rabbit that just decided to hop into your yard. But by deciding that, it created a universe in which it didn't. It would just inadvertently happen. If you make a bad decision, you face consequences. So people would see the opposite end of the decision in a parallel universe created by one of those decisions.

Actually, when you consider the amount of individuals on this planet, out of every single form of life, that makes the number of universes created in a givent moment even more mind-boggling.

What if that first bit of primevil slime decided not to create a protein? That'd be pretty interesting, just to see it.

Anyway, I created a parallel universe when I decided to make this post over not making it. None of you may be reading this in another place. You're only reading this because you decided to click on this thread. But what if you hadn't? It wouldn't affect anything else, more than likely, in the new universe, but it would still be a difference.


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A freaky subject, really. I'm not sure if the possibilities are endlessly interesting, or somewhat boggling to the senses. I mean, every decision spawns a handful of consequences and possibilities in -our- reality. So the thought of how many off-shoots of lossed potential would arise from each smallest detail of your every-day life...

bah. What I want to say has been said ..and better.

It is just very interesting.
  
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05-24-02

..and what if, rather than this infinite number of universes increasing exponentially (excuse the paradox) which would lead to wherever universes are kept, getting full
That old universes, ones that aren't relevant anymore, simply cease to exist.

Or better still, universes only exist in the present, the past ceases to exist and the future isn't created yet.

Universes are instantaneous rather than infinite..

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05-24-02

this concept has always held a realm of fascination for me...the possibilities are staggaring...I use to make people uncomfrotable with the concept of there being parallel dimensions and that there could be people or creatures right next to them everyday, and simply because they were in a different dimension they could not be seen...it would explain a lot of the unexplainable...the fractal mode series by piers anthony is a wonderful trilogy about a rag tag group that are able to travel to different dimensions...it poses a lot of interesting theories on dimensional travel, and how they can be affected...just like the marvel universe



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That old universes, ones that aren't relevant anymore, simply cease to exist.
That's interesting, but what would decide what makes them not "relevant?" And by what process would they "cease to exist?"

Or maybe, if that decision doesn't have any other consequenses other than that you decided not to do something, the universes phase out for the duration of that and the rest of things are the same....

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Or better still, universes only exist in the present, the past ceases to exist and the future isn't created yet.
That's pretty interesting too, but they couldn't be instantanious because the futures that would eventually take place would not be the same.

That's a good point about what you said, Jordyn...I might have to check those books out.


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That's interesting, but what would decide what makes them not "relevant?" And by what process would they "cease to exist?"

Or maybe, if that decision doesn't have any other consequenses other than that you decided not to do something, the universes phase out for the duration of that and the rest of things are the same....



That's pretty interesting too, but they couldn't be instantanious because the futures that would eventually take place would not be the same.

That's a good point about what you said, Jordyn...I might have to check those books out.
I don't think any universes would fade out...even if you die, there's the rest of the world carries on...why should dimensions be any different that the reality on this realm? The future is never created, it's a choice by choice thing...the interesting question is if you have several realities on different planes, which reality is the original one?



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I don't think any universes would fade out...even if you die, there's the rest of the world carries on...why should dimensions be any different that the reality on this realm? The future is never created, it's a choice by choice thing...the interesting question is if you have several realities on different planes, which reality is the original one?
I don't agree here, because in My view everything makes a difference somewhere, most definitely in these seperate 'realities'. You die in our reality, and live on in another perfectly well, maybe crippled in another, suspended animation in still one more. And then you think about each consequence of your death. Funerals, family grief, debts, will ...all of these things carry with it still many more decisions and possibilities, so that the wave of your 'death', still brings with it a tidal wave of new reality.

'which reality is the original one?'

That is very subjective ...because to us, to each individual 'us' on every reality, the answer changes as you step from dimension to dimension or reality to reality. I believe My reality where I exist now is the original, but another Me, in a reality next to this one ....might be thinking the exact thing, thus negating My logic and thought ....
  
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05-24-02

Very true. We could all be living in the offshoot of a reality where maybe *shrug* the US lost the Rev. War or something like that. In the "original" reality, we might not even exist...

Like we've said from the start, it gets weird.


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I don't agree here, because in My view everything makes a difference somewhere, most definitely in these seperate 'realities'. You die in our reality, and live on in another perfectly well, maybe crippled in another, suspended animation in still one more. And then you think about each consequence of your death. Funerals, family grief, debts, will ...all of these things carry with it still many more decisions and possibilities, so that the wave of your 'death', still brings with it a tidal wave of new reality.

my point was that if you die, you're dead the world is not..it's just as you said...but if you die, it won't end that reality..



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The idea your talking about is called the many worlds theory. There is some evidence in quantum physics that there are multiple universes out there. Look up theSchroedigers cat experiments and experiments with photon projection.

Or alternatively go to;

www.colorado.edu/physics/2000/schroedinger.html

There's other stuff o the same site take a look at the atomic lab its pretty interesting.



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No such thing as parallel realities - 06-09-02

I believe that the expanse of the human mind is large enough to fit entire universes. There are no such things as parallel universes besides those that exist in the human mind. Becasue no other creature on this planet would even ponder such a abstract reality it proves the point that it exist alone in our minds. I think that the idea of parallel universes is only another name for possabillity. Once something happens, it cannot be changed in this reality. However, a person can concieve the possible outcome if another choice had been made. But since another choice had not been made that possibility no longer exist therfore it is now only an idea. So a paralell universe is only the world where the human mind creates a posibble reality by changing the course of events in the true reality and further eloborates on them. Only one reality exists: the present moment. And the rest is all memory and forsight.


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06-09-02

This is akin to the question of time travel, wherein would going into the past, and then returning to the future, allow you to notice a temporal change thanks to something you did in the past?




Honestly, if there are parrallel(sp) universes, then I would like to point out that we are too.... 3D... to ever truly even see them.


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06-09-02

You're right. We never would. And Callamus, that could be right. But there is nothing either proving or disproving either theory, so who's right? No way to know.


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06-09-02

I think the Mandlebrot set is a model of the complete universe.
It includes all universes, and all alternate realities.


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