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If you called a Pharaoh a King they would have beheaded you about as quickly as they could.
Are you suggesting that tribal nomads are incapable of sustaining a settled civilization??

As I stated earlier, kings were a rare breed. Civilizations, ancient or not, are a mish mash of every single governance you can think of. From Divine Emperors to Tribal Chieftans. King is merely a designation of one who rules over many that can easily take the place of any other designation and yet is a poor designator for most. A Pharaoh(no matter what you may have read when you googled it) is NOT a king. If they were we would call them "kings" and not Pharaohs. Pharaoh itself means great majesty, or one who divinely rules. Not-- king of egypt

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silly boy: you have just proved me correct:

the semantic meaning of 'king' and 'your majesty' are exactly the same. Majestic paraohs ruled by dIVINE PROVIDENCE because they were considered to be GODS ON EARTH.

You obviously have no background in anthropolgy. You 'google' stabs at the science of anthropology is pathetic. Talk to a professional. They will quickly enlighten you.
  
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I just talked to a Ute the other day and he refered to himself as an Indian. If they want to call themselves that I suppose I should respect it

But I think you are just grasping at straws......
And you are grasping at nothing except your own ignorance. If a redneck wants to call themselves a redneck: that does not mean they are educated. Scientific anthropologists would be FIRED ON THE SPOT if they EVER called a North American native an 'indian'. They only use this term after they EXPLAIN where this inaccurate term came from. Colombus was tryoing to find a shortcut to the orient, He thought anyone he met would be from that region. Therfore he called the people he met: 'indians' because he thought that INDIA was just around the corner. Itwas also a good form of propaganda. The Queen of Spain hearing he met INDIANS! from INDIA! '

Oh! well... in THAT case! I will fund your second venture! So you almost got to India eh? tell me more!'

Why don't you read a book for once in your life? Parading your ignorance as knowlege is making you look very, very you-know-what.

Some African Amerians call themselves and other african americans 'niggers'. Would YOU call them that to their face? Just because some of them are uneducated?

Every fact I have stated here is Scientifically correct.

Until one of you opens a book and does some learning: all of you will continue to cover your faces with mud if you try arguing against scientific facts.
  
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that's right dyshade, you should learn to accept dr. turak's wisdom. he has a phd in anthropology, you know. oh wait... oh snap.


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Hey, mister barbarian warrior from the comic books.. Or rather, a derivative thereof..
Might one ask how you are managing to be here on this forum without some form of monetary useage?


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silly boy: you have just proved me correct:

the semantic meaning of 'king' and 'your majesty' are exactly the same. Majestic paraohs ruled by dIVINE PROVIDENCE because they were considered to be GODS ON EARTH.

You obviously have no background in anthropolgy. You 'google' stabs at the science of anthropology is pathetic. Talk to a professional. They will quickly enlighten you.
A Pharaoh is different from an Emperor as an Emperor is different from a King as a King is different from a Chief all your lazy semantics aside.

A Pharaoh was not a king. If anything a Pharaoh was more like an Emperor. A Pharaoh was viewed as a god who walked in mortal disguise and as such was given divine rule. A Pharaoh was most certainly not a paltry king. I cannot help if you wish to mute the distinction of thier differences



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And you are grasping at nothing except your own ignorance. If a redneck wants to call themselves a redneck: that does not mean they are educated. Scientific anthropologists would be FIRED ON THE SPOT if they EVER called a North American native an 'indian'. They only use this term after they EXPLAIN where this inaccurate term came from. Colombus was tryoing to find a shortcut to the orient, He thought anyone he met would be from that region. Therfore he called the people he met: 'indians' because he thought that INDIA was just around the corner. Itwas also a good form of propaganda. The Queen of Spain hearing he met INDIANS! from INDIA! '

Oh! well... in THAT case! I will fund your second venture! So you almost got to India eh? tell me more!'

Why don't you read a book for once in your life? Parading your ignorance as knowlege is making you look very, very you-know-what.

Some African Amerians call themselves and other african americans 'niggers'. Would YOU call them that to their face? Just because some of them are uneducated?

Every fact I have stated here is Scientifically correct.

Until one of you opens a book and does some learning: all of you will continue to cover your faces with mud if you try arguing against scientific facts.
If you wish to be precise you may do so but do not persecute those who wish to utilize popular diction to convey a meaning or define a race. If I say, " Hey look at the spic." Irregardless of propriety you will understand that I am saying, "Hey look at the mexican."

So, for you it may be parading ignorance if that is your perception, for me it is conveying a message using popular diction in order to stub out any incongruities between communicating parties.

If i was an anthropologist I would still call them indians as that is thier popular name and to all holy hell with your insufferable propriety Watch the news someday or listen to the polis speak



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how STUPID are you...?

'Logic based on the past'.... IS NOT IMAGIINATION!!!

Why don't you either admit you have no imagination or just go away: you are boring.
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Duh! that's exactly what i was saying. logic based on the past is indeed NOT IMAGINATION, if we threw out logic and any kind of basis in the world we know, came up with ANY explanation, it would therefore have to be valid. This is becasue we would have no knowledge base for it here on earth, if it was pure imagination, in which to evaluate it. Silly, wasting a post just to agree with me.


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Duh! that's exactly what i was saying. logic based on the past is indeed NOT IMAGINATION, if we threw out logic and any kind of basis in the world we know, came up with ANY explanation, it would therefore have to be valid. This is becasue we would have no knowledge base for it here on earth, if it was pure imagination, in which to evaluate it. Silly, wasting a post just to agree with me.
that's what you've learned in textbooks, you ungreatful, harmful insect. you consumerist capitalist amoeba.

think for yourself. do some more research. surely if you do enough research you can come to any conclusion you want; do a little more, and you can reach the wise turak's conclusions.

you live in your head, you're a fantasy-breathing uneducated child. go study. get help for your dementia. read the poem 'for annie' by e. a. poe and replace 'living' with thinking and 'annie' with 'bean farm' or 'stalin', as appropriate.


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thought i deleted this silly thing, i reread the above post after i submitted a reply and though i had then deleted it, oh well. it just takes up empty space now.


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We are all unimaginative bugs living in turak land whilst dreaming apostate dreams listening to a dirge of words forwarded by dyshade whilst constantly being interrupted by billy



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ROFLOL , touché ! Well said Dyshade !


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If you wish to be precise you may do so but do not persecute those who wish to utilize popular diction to convey a meaning or define a race. If I say, " Hey look at the spic." Irregardless of propriety you will understand that I am saying, "Hey look at the mexican."

So, for you it may be parading ignorance if that is your perception, for me it is conveying a message using popular diction in order to stub out any incongruities between communicating parties.

If i was an anthropologist I would still call them indians as that is thier popular name and to all holy hell with your insufferable propriety Watch the news someday or listen to the polis speak
You are not being logical: trace the discussion. It is a red herring. So drop it.
  
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Duh! that's exactly what i was saying. logic based on the past is indeed NOT IMAGINATION, if we threw out logic and any kind of basis in the world we know, came up with ANY explanation, it would therefore have to be valid. This is becasue we would have no knowledge base for it here on earth, if it was pure imagination, in which to evaluate it. Silly, wasting a post just to agree with me.
You are not being logical

Using your imagination does not mean you have to stop being logical. Nowhere in my challenge did I tell people to stop being logical.

You are suffering from a mental deulsion.

You actually believe that logic can only come from the past.

Excuse me if I burst your bubble: but logic can also come from the present. And from the fututre.

It can also be used in combintion with imaqination.

Believe it or not.
  
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logic means you take a few fundamental ideas, assume that they're true, and derive new knowledge and relationships from it. so, we must assume something is true. it can either be the fairy tale crap you're serving or the dry unimaginative crap from history books. take your pick.


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We are all unimaginative bugs living in turak land whilst dreaming apostate dreams listening to a dirge of words forwarded by dyshade whilst constantly being interrupted by billy
So all of you have admitted that none of you can imagine living in a world without money.

This is the perfect time to end this thread.

All of you lose the challenge.

All of you have refused to even try to accept the challenge.

All of you lose.

Now you can laugh about amongst yourselves: as a majority of losers

'What a silly! Relativity! ha! That's ridiculous!'

Or...

'What? The world round? We'd all fall off! What a silly!'

Be proud of your lack of imagination. Be proud that all of you have failed. Be proud that none of you can imagine a practical future. Those who do not study the past are doomed to repeat it. Be proud of your not studying the past. Be proud of your not studying the present.

pride goeth before a fall. oops.

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i swear this guy = youngwerther, if youngwerther != some alter ego. if youngwerther = some alter ego, turak = my music appreciation prof. the D-bag.


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logic means you take a few fundamental ideas, assume that they're true, and derive new knowledge and relationships from it. so, we must assume something is true. it can either be the fairy tale crap you're serving or the dry unimaginative crap from history books. take your pick.
WRONG! WRONG! WRONG!

This is WHERE you get so screwed up. This is HOW you get so screwed up!

You CANNOT assume ANYTHING! is true!

You cannot USE logic with unverified assumptions!

Logic is finding connections between things that ACTUALLY EXIST

NOT imagining untrue assumptions and untrue connections that do NOT actually exist.

You cannot be logical by 'assuming' fantasy.

This is logic:

Your arm is connected to your wrist: TRUE!

Your wrist is connected to your hand: TRUE!

Your shoulder is connected to your hand: UNTRUE! ILLOGICAL!

Your shoulder is connected to your upper arm which is connected to your forearm which is connected to your wrist which is connected to your hand: TRUE!

Apples and oranges are the same

UNTRUE NOT LOGICAL

Apples are a fruit. oranges are also a fruit

TRUE!

The only way you can be logical is if you FOLLOW the ACTUAL CONNECTIONS.

You CANNOT be logical if you dream up NON-EXISTENT CONNECTIONS that exist only in your mind.

BUT!!!

If you search for connections that have not yet been discovered... you can find out the TRUTH of how things are actually connected to each other.

The science of ecology was discovered by scientisits who found out that there were many CONNECTIONS between things like weather, climate, soil, temperature, species, survival tactics, adaptaions to environment, etc etc.

NONE of these connections they discovered are IMAGINARY!! They actually EXIST.

THAT is LOGIC

THAT is discovering an entire SCIENCE of connections that is so damn complex, and so fascinating: that the scope of its exploration is IINFINITE!

Before this new science was discovered: humans were BLIND to the destructive effect they were having on their own eco-environments.

You are VERY BADLY EDUCATED.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND?

Do not get insulted at ME

Get FURIOUS at the idiots who lied to you and gave you your lousy education!
  
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Is upper arm the medical term? lolololol
  
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turak, i'm better educated than you, because i know what socrates knew and what every person who really thinks knows: we know nothing and it'll stay like that so get off your high horse and chill, dude. i like to think i know enough, and you love thinking that, so let's just deal with it.


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