btw, when you striclty limit things and say things like "that's all" its like a huge red flag of a logical fallacy in an arguement.

and btw what you are argueing here is only going ot lead this topic astray from the original question and create a nice new thing to attack that really once this catches on and flies is going to have no relevance to the original thing posed.

To respond to your post though, think through this. In an primative purely nomadic tribe, why does it make sense to claim a carcass as only yours? It will spoil before you are through with it. Why carry more furs than you need while your family member died, decreasing the tribe numbers making things more difficult for all. Carrying excess constantly takes energy and is cumbersome.

To respond to Turak, the reason most people aren't going to have an easy idea with completely tossing the idea of money/bartering is because no society has ever known anything different, at least to the extent your talking of. There have been some tries on some good ideas but it has never happened. My reasoning for saying that is based on the dawn of civilization and the role that bartering had in it.

We would be primative pack animals. Why do i say this? Because it is the only example of a "society" existing without these kinds of things. We may have rather complex primative little groups but it will be based on matablity (so what if its not a word) strength, ability to find food, fight etc. Thats my thoughts for the day.

this is the dumbest thing yet but ill lay it out for you

1. Food and Water are free and there is more then enough for everyone
2. Shelter is free and there is more then enough for everyone
3. Climate control where necassary is free and there is more then enough for everyone
4. People are all equally talented (no one individual has a competive edge)

So now that we have elimanted all forms of competition money is no more

BTW why bother answering my post not to mention the orginal stuff you driveled out about a barter system. BTW in the context to the comment to which I replied "thats all" is not incorrect.

the rest of the response is fairly lame I wouldnt and I wouldnt which is why bartering exists not becuase some farmer had some excess grain but because people have been trading goods and services ever since there were well people

I already explained how I imagined how modern humans can live without the concept of money. They could eat the fish that they catch or the deer they killed, just because everybody else doesn't understand that doesn't mean that I don't. Maybe if you would read what people post in response to your question, then you could see what they have to say, and as far as participation goes you're no one to talk with your 4 posts.

turak, you're such a tard you should be denied the right to live. people have replied to your challenge. do you understand anything? are you following any of this?

The hominids youre speaking of are not modern man you moron.

Holy.

Money and its concept go back in history as long as humanity has been around. Money does not even need to exist as long as its concept exists. Here Martha, I will give you five chickens for one pig. That is still utilizing the concept of money. Humanity has never existed without its concept. This is due to human nature. Human nature elicits competition between us. Without that competition we would all be drooling vegetables who would eventually die off. We ALL want more. You may be making 250$ a week and looking at the guy who makes 1,000 a week and saying to yourself, "fuck, if I had that sort of money I would be set." NO!! you would only live to get more because that would become the norm for you and you would set your sights ever higher. Human fucking nature. You can't even fight human nature because in doing so you are being a slave to that very nature

not the concept of money the concept of exchangeable value. Money is a very diffrent thing but I guess thats besides the point.

If we want to use econmics to describe aspects of evolutanary pressure (in other words assign a value to comeptition as what most people are doing here) then you can expand your statement to encompass all living things including the drooling vege's. Evolutionary Economics which is the very reason that it is not possible to conceive a world without "money". We live in a world of limited resources, so those resources have a value, as I said before make those resources unlimited and then you got yourself a system where no "money" exists

Sad and true. Economics might the extreme surge in human population and consumption, so yes it describes aspects of evolutionary pressure.

Nope. Money is exactly the same. Anything that is used in exchange for something else utilizes the concept of money. Bartering is just another form of economic exchange.

nope money has no value onto itself it only has value as a medium of exchange. In other words you cant eat money but you can eat grain and you can trade it. A system of money is vastly diffrent and was invented to make commerce easier. basicaly it solved the problem of having to trade with a bunch of diffrent groups to get what you want. But at the end of the day things like gold, diamonds, seashells, glass beads, and the dollar only have value if people are willing to accept it in an exchange, where as tools, food, shelter have a dual value in that they can be traded and used. It may appear as a subtle diffrence and it probably is today because we are so enamored with a money system but as a concept they are diffrent Dyshade. However you are correct they both are an econmic exchange

well said

1. Food and Water are free and there is more then enough for everyone
2. Shelter is free and there is more then enough for everyone
3. Climate control where necassary is free and there is more then enough for everyone
4. People are all equally talented (no one individual has a competive edge)

So now that we have elimanted all forms of competition money is no more[/quote]

Sigh... listing facts is not imagination. Can you read? I used the word 'imagine' not 'list facts'... How will you live without money... you carefully do not address that. You say that we CAN live without money... but not HOW.... that is whereryour imagination comes in... if you have any.

Wrong. They have not answered my challenge. read english. The challenge is to imagine HOW you can live without money. None of you have imagined this. You have given opinions that it can, or cannot be done... but not HOW it could be done. Are you following any of this>?

Dear uninformed: Modern man has been around for over 100,000 years. Civilization has been around for around 10,000: 10,000 subtracted from 100,000 gives you 90,000 years of modern man living as nomads without them picking up civilized cultural traits.

sigh... my challenge was not asking you to create fantasy. Most people live in cities today... or haven't you noticed? My challenge was to see if you could imagine living TODAY... where you are NOW... with all the technology that exists TODAY... except without the abstract concept of money.

christ you're just one of those idiots i love to hate. in arguing for or against the possibility of a world without money, we have implicitly stated how it would be possible. describing how it is possible or impossible is tantamount to imagining how it would work.

your problem is you say how and leave it at that. only a total fucking tard would not see how ambiguous such a question is, and especially then not bother defining what he means. i'm guessing you aren't intelligent enough to explain what the fuck you're thinking, if you're thinking at all.

if you're asking how it could be possible to live without money, we've already answered that. if you're asking what it would be like, we've answered that too.

in conclusion, i'm your master. and i'll just throw this out on the table: this is a fucking retarded thread, anyway. this is politics at best, philosophy as a stretch of the imagination.

sigh... I am not asking you to imagine the unimaginable, nor am I asking you to regress back to some former time. I am speaking of the present. Today. You people cannot IMAGINE the present without money... so you regress to an imaginary fantasy which you have NO true understanding of, and no knowlege of, simply because there is not enough preserved evidence before civilization for ANYONE to know exactly how people lived for 90,000 years without money.

The fact is they did... and for a hell of a lot longer than 10,000 years.

Sigh... here again.... Can't you see your own brick wall? You KNOW it has been done before... but you cannot IMAGINE how it could be done today! Instead you trot out tired old fables from your high school days about what was told you...

Forget the past! Humans have always been able to innovate and adapt! If an Eskimo can adapt to living in the arctic without money... why can't you come up with a feasable, practical way of doing it in a much softer climate?

You have much better tools than eskimos did! You have technology!

Yet you pretend that this technology... cannot be used WITHOUT MONEY!

Face it: you simply cannot imagine the present world without money. Don't be a sore loser. Just say: 'nope... can't do it.' and have done with it.