bullshit, in a perfect world communism is still a shitty practice where the achievers are penalized for achieving and the lazy shits get to scrape by on other peoples accomlishments.

in a perfect world, billy... why dont you think that one thru for a minute.

no one is lazy or greedy... think before that drivel finds its way from your brain to your keyboard.

In a perfect world? 1st you have to define perfection, then you have to define wether or not ther eis a static definition of perfection. A world in which everyhting is equal and noone is greedy and lazy and we all just live out our boring lives like fucking worker drone asexual colony of bees is far form perfect in my opinion. In my perfect world there is still room for differences, challenges and ambitions.

ok, while your perfect world definition is valid for you and your lifestyle.... if I were reading this objectivly I would assume that I meant a literal translation of the word instead of reading into each persons definition and searching for meaing.

Perfection:
1. Lacking nothing essential to the whole; complete of its nature or kind.

2. Being without defect or blemish: a perfect specimen.

3. Completely suited for a particular purpose or situation: She was the perfect actress for the part.

Regardless, there isnt a static definiton of what is perfection. What is perfect to you, isnt perfect to me. In your perfect world apparently we are all communists living like athiest, non family-tied individuals dependent upon the state for our survival. Much like an asexual drone worker bee. Like I said, no thanks. Far form perfect.

Satan is way weaker than God. at least 75% weaker you gotta remember God created Satan.

But don't you HAVE to be female to reproduce? Asexually or bisexually or whatever you still have to be female to reproduce.
Hm so we would all be female and when we spawned we would die, there would be this one really fat chick that eats all the honey and we would worship her.

Do you actually think that what you wrote was intelligent, clever or funny in anyway?

I geuss so, what do you think?

I think it wasnt any of that.

So in this board we've established that bartering is just another form a money system...well civilization itself was established off of a bartering system. Once people started to make the slow gradual shift to an a less nomadic lifestyle and farming actually gave rise to SURPLUS a crude class systems that started ONLY after this surplus existed. priests came into power, slavery existed when one could not pay back borrowed crops. if you had more stored grain you could barter for other goods. even cuneiform, the first writing system was developed to keep track of this surplus. You take away this bartering from surplus you take away any form of hierarchy. Since society only came into existance because of bartering it would be mortally wounded should any form of it be deleted. Every single person would have to be completely self sufficiant in order not to need to trade goods with another person, since as we said bartering is just another form of monetary systems.

Correct me if I am wrong but many Nomadic tribes had kings, priests and leaders. Atilla the Hun? Moses? Ghengis Khan? These were nomadic people.

prove it - my bet is that the ratio of god's power and satan's is sinusoidal in time.

Then why wouldn't Satan take over heaven?

why would he? maybe satan prefers hell.

Nomads only developed leaders AFTER their populations increased, They developed leaders AFTER the social stucture of the first hunter-gathers was destroyed by surplus food, tool innovations, and the new concept of accumuation... Which they got from the first humans who settled down and begab accumulating things.

BEFORE we stopped moving: our social structure was groups between 24-35 indivduals: no greater, for at least 90,000 years. The nomads you list all lived next to settled civilizations for thousands of years. get it?

So...? So what? You have not even begun to accept the challenge. In fact you do not even want to accept it. You are the only person who knows his history and his anthropology on this forum. But you show no interest in answering the challenge. The challenge is to imagine how modern humans can live without the concept of money.

It is obvious that none of you can imagine this.

well, i guess i can play along.
a world without the concept of money? money is really just a means to an end; so the concept we need to do away with isn't money, but trade. trade would have to go away. money is not the same as 'cash'. money is a more convenient form of bartering. instead of trading goods, you trade money for goods. that way, you can barter with people who don't even have what you need. it's brilliant. so, a world without 'cash' would be a world with bartering. a world without money would be a world without trade. of any kind. every community would be self sufficient... there could still be private property, and there would still be those who had more than others. richness and poorness don't depend on money... they depend on how much wealth you have. wealth meaning what you need, want, etc. so the person with the most food in the fridge is the richest. 'cash' is really just potential wealth. in fact, the world as it is today could very well exist without money or trade. i guess it would be communism, exactly. theoretically, it's possible.

um nope, humans have been accumlating things for a long time, furs, food for the winter, they were also trading between various nomadic tribes long before farming.

Farming allowed socieites to increase in numbers and remain in one place thats all