what makes a soul old or new???


well, first of all, all of this stuff involves reincarnation. in reincarnation, when your body dies, its leaves to live another life, and then after that, your soul goes to yet another body, and life. the entire point of reincarnation is so that your soul can grow older, and wiser, and beyond everyone else around you in every life you live. then, after you are beyond everything with life, and you look at the world like "this is just a mesly obstacle, and after this life, it will all mean nothing" you get to go to ::heaven:: well, when someone is known as an "old soul" it really means that the person has been reincarnated many times, and their soul is older, and wiser, and really IS beyond everything in this life, and the next and the next and the next, until they eventually are what GOD has made them to evolve into, so therefore, there are mentally ready for "heaven"

well guys, thats all i can really say for now, but id love for you to prove me wrong someday, so give me all of your thoughts and insights, and ill argue back

ill be seein ya!!!

If the goal is to transcend this life, and an old soul has been around for a long time wouldn't that make an old soul a less competent one.

Trying to prove you wrong would be pointess.

faith... how i hate it so... so irrational... so misused... so corrupt

trying to prove me wrong it pointless, id much rather hear your opinion than not. wellz, cmon guys, tell me wutcha think!

I have no real belief about the after life.I dont see humanity being any wiser than it was 1,000 years ago although it should be since we would be older souls, no?

Shows how childish the new souls are, one could argue... For more then before, humans there are...

only some people are wise, and only some people are truthful, and only some people are 4 real. old souls and new souls could almost be considered irelevant ::er how eva u spell it:: if you dont really believe in the after-life, than what happens when you die??? you think that our souls die along with our bodies??? if i come off as mean, im not trying to be, im just trying to understand your point of view as well as mine...

Just said I dont have a belief as far as the after life.As in I dont know or care all that much.

Transcendant Soul Theory isn't supposed to make you any smarter, or society any better for that matter. The theory supposes that after death we plan new lives. We schedule out everything that happens to us. In an extreme case I might have planned to murder or rape someone while there was another soul who planned to be murdered or raped. There are no new or old souls, there just appears to be more because the world has a higher population than it ever has, while there are fewer animals than there have ever been before. In TST while alive we have no knowledge(obviously) of previous lives therefore we can be no smarter, besides what care does an immortal soul have for the state of the world anyway its just another opportunity to experience something. Whether or not there is a God involved and its a path to Heaven type of deal, isn't in TST but it could be possible.

we have a lot of gray talk here... not enough defined...

one point... the soul... learns... but doesn't need to tell the concious mind what it knows... lessons learned... is the point...

Well, all I can say is this, evidence, or, hints to whether or not your soul is old or new does present itself subtly throughout your life.

*nods sagely*

yes... it does...

The question of what happens when we die is something I'm not sure about...

I many ways, I think its just something we came up with. Death scares the average human, as does the fact that it could be all for nothing. That really gives people fear. So they came up with something that allows us to believe we have a purpose, that we will be rewarded or punished based upon our lifestyle. Reincarnation is the same way, because we wouldn't even leave the physical world in that way of belief.

I think it'd be nice for there to be SOMEthing. But I wouldn't be totally suprised if we just died and that was all.

but how could there be nothing in the afterlife. i belive what your saying, thefinalword, and i know that i could not have put it any more clear. and while we are on the subject, i think most religion are just full-of-shit pussies who wanna think that the world revolve around them and hat I THEY ARE GOOD IN THIS LIFE, they will be rewared indefinitely. but how could that be so??? there are so many other souls out there, who the fuck iss up there judging us all???

i didnt mean to get all pissy there, sorry.

I believe that every soul reincarnates. That ech life is another lesson that the soul learns... that this has been happening since the beginning of time, and that some souls are very old and wise...

Sometimes Soul's split, when they have reached a point that they can no-longer grow with knowledge, and become two, new souls, with limited knowledge again... this is not necessarily good. For the split soul will always be searching for it's other half... and depending upon the circumstances that caused it to split... they will stay together for their following lives... or other things happen and the cycles get messed up, one dying more often than the other: becoming wiser and then the soul left behind feels lost... or in following lives they never meet and always feel empty; or even in the following lives, they are near each other but not truly together... therefore becoming frustrated...

It doesn't matter really... in the end... I think... they eventually find each other and become one again.

*shrugs* I have reason to believe this although you may all think it's fantasy...

No, because the Soul's aging process, is not following the same restriction as the physical world.

I like this thread... and I agree strongly with the intial post, as well as Water's post. A good example of this, is how we all encounter people in our lives that we just really really really admire and look up to... for whatever morals and values that they seem to take just for granted, that perhaps we struggle with. And more often than not there are those who we look at and think, "How the hell can they do that and still sleep at night???? Dont' they know that's wrong?????" And the answer to that is No. They don't know that's wrong, because their soul is younger, and that's a lesson it hasn't learned yet. Perhaps that is the lesson that their soul is living this life, to learn. So yeah.

Xxx-SIN-xxX

The way I see it, not all souls are reincarnated into a next life, or able to age. It seems to me that saying "all souls are reincarnated" is the same as saying "everyone dies of old age."

Here's the way I see it: With each new child, a new soul has a chance to be created. However, in the chance that something goes wrong in the production of the new spirit/soul, and old one carries on into the child and is therefore reincarnated. In the case that neither event happens with a soul is when the child would be a stillborn.

For a soul to carry on after death, there could be a number of scenarios for this to happen. Just as many as there are ways to die, maybe even more. The basics, as I see it, though, are that if a soul has reason to carry on into a next life (or just bloody well feels like it), or the body the soul was in died before the soul was ready to completely die out, it will be reincarnated. If the body of the soul was murdered, or killed by suicide perhaps, it would make sense that the woul would be confused, and not understand or be ready to reincarnate itself yet. Hence, where the "wandering spirits" come from. This simply comes from the observation that many spirits that we are able to communicate with have had an early death of some sort, and the older spirits that died of old age just need to carry on a message before they are reincarnated.

As for the aging of souls, and gaining wisdom as they are reincarnated, that would almost be like saying everyone gains the same education from the same schooling. But if that were the case, how would we be able to give one question to 20 different people, and receive 20 different answers in reply? It just makes sense to me that each soul would take their experiences in reincarnation differently, some just to have another chance or others to try to better themselves, while some may get reincarnated without remember any other lives at all.

That's just my view on it, anyway. Feel free to tell me otherwise.

You aren't getting my point.

There is no reason that any soul SHOULD answer the question the same way as another. It decides what it shall learn, it decides what lessons are necessary... all souls are different...

*smiles at Sini for understanding*

but like I said... I have reasons to believe this...

and spirit life is another discssion entirely, and not to be confused with reicarnation...