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My Theory on God - 02-02-03

the word god by definition is the creator
the word theory by non-scientific definiton is an assumption based on limited information or knowledge

we dont know if religion is reality
all we do know is that the big bang occured, which started everything...
maybe god is the energy that started the big bang
maybe thats all there is to god...
i dont really buy the image these fiction books like the quran and the bible make of god...
what do you guys think?


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02-02-03

but what about the multiverse theories?


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but what about the multiverse theories?
multiverse theories, hmm interesting... havent heard of them
multiverse meaning multiple universes, right?

i need to know more about this theory

maybe all the universes started with their own big bangs and so there are multiple gods of each universe...

or maybe the first big bang of the first universe made all the other universes...

or maybe the multiverse theory isnt backed up with enough evidence...

tell me more about this theory, maybe im getting the multiverse=multiple universes thing all wrong


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02-02-03

Well, it is a big universe out there. a multiverse in my opinion is just another word for a galaxy. but what does this have to do about the existance of God? Yes it is said that e created everything. can he really give such a great priority for each of us, when there are 7 billion of us? Can any human really imagine that?



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Well, it is a big universe out there. a multiverse in my opinion is just another word for a galaxy. but what does this have to do about the existance of God? Yes it is said that e created everything. can he really give such a great priority for each of us, when there are 7 billion of us? Can any human really imagine that?
so if multiverse is another word for galaxy, then maybe there was just one big bang and there is only one universe, which contains different galaxies...

i agree with you over there, i also find it hard to believe that...

another point i am tying to make in my theory is that maybe god is non-living... maybe he is just the energy that started the big bang... afterall, something that creates doesnt necessarily have to be a living entity...


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Well, it is a big universe out there. a multiverse in my opinion is just another word for a galaxy. but what does this have to do about the existance of God? Yes it is said that e created everything. can he really give such a great priority for each of us, when there are 7 billion of us? Can any human really imagine that?
so if multiverse is another word for galaxy, then maybe there was just one big bang and there is only one universe, which contains different galaxies...

i agree with you over there, i also find it hard to believe that...

another point i am tying to make in my theory is that maybe god is non-living... maybe he is just the energy that started the big bang... afterall, something that creates doesnt necessarily have to be a living entity...

hell, maybe aliens created that energy which started the big bang and, in turn, maybe another energy created a different race of aliens and this cycle has kept going on in a loophole and has been eternal, hence not having a beginning or and end...


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02-02-03

I found this nice little tidbit

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/hawking/html/ask.html

Imagine a child blowing up a balloon. Imagine that there are dots painted on the balloon. Notice that all the dots are moving away from each other. The farther any two dots are, the faster they are moving apart.

Now imagine there is an ant living on the balloon. To the ant, the balloon is infinite in two dimensions. The ant, walking on the balloon, could go an infinite distance around the balloon and never reach "the end of the balloon." To an ant, the "universe" would be a two-dimensional, expanding surface, such that the farther the dots are, the faster they move.

If you were to ask the ant, "What is the universe expanding into?," the ant would reply that the question has no meaning. The ant can only move on the surface of the balloon, yet the expansion of the balloon lies in the third dimension, in hyperspace, which is beyond the understanding of the ant. All that the ant understands is that the space between dots is expanding. But it cannot understand "into what is it expanding," since that requires knowledge of the third dimension, or hyperspace, which is beyond the ant's comprehension.

Also, if you ask the ant, "From where did the balloon expand?," the question would have no meaning. The expansion point lies at the center of the balloon, which is off the "universe" of the ant. Thus, the balloon's Big Bang also lies in hyperspace, beyond the understanding of the ant.

To us, however, all these answers are trivial. We live in hyperspace (the third dimension) so we can see that the balloon is finite and is expanding in the third dimension, and that the balloon's Big Bang lies in the center, also in the third dimension.

Likewise, there may be other balloons floating in hyperspace. The ant, which has difficulty understanding its own balloon, would have an even greater problem understanding the fact that there might be other balloons, with other ants on them.

Similarly, we are like the ant, except that our universe appears to be infinite in three dimensions. We can go an infinite distance in any direction, and never reach the "end of the universe."

Likewise, the space between our galaxies is expanding, such that the farther a galaxy is, the faster it is going (this is Hubble's Law). (However, there are also random motions, so galaxies can sometimes collide. For example, our own galaxy may one day be gobbled up by the Andromeda Galaxy.)

But the question, "Into what is the universe expanding?" makes no sense to our three-dimensional brains. The location of the Big Bang is in hyperspace.

(If we try to retrace the early history of the universe, we still cannot locate the Big Bang. If we go back 15 billion or so years, the universe might have been as big as, say, a bowling ball. The entire universe, with all its space and matter, was only that big. But nowhere on the bowling ball was the Big Bang.)

Today, cosmologists are grappling with the question, "What happened before the Big Bang?" Einstein's equations break down at that point, so we need a theory which combines the quantum theory and general relativity (the unified field theory). So far, the only candidate for such a fabled theory is the 10-dimensional superstring theory.

To quantize the universe, let us first consider an electron. We know from chemistry class that the electron can exist simultaneously in infinitely many orbitals surrounding the nucleus. (Because of the Uncertainty Principle, we can never know for sure precisely which state the electron is in, until an observation is made.) These are "parallel electrons." This strange fact about electrons has been verified thousands of times in the laboratory.

Now if we quantize the universe, we must treat it like an electron. Because of Uncertainty, this means that the universe must also exist simultaneously in an infinite number of states. These are parallel universes.

Imagine boiling water (a quantum mechanical phenomenon). Out of nothing, bubbles form and then quickly expand. Similarly, the leading theory among cosmologists today is the multiverse theory, which states that quantum universes are constantly being created out of Nothing. Many of them are probably short-lived; they have a Big Bang, but then rapidly have a Big Crunch and disappear back into Nothing.

(This does not violate the conservation of matter and energy; the matter of the universe has positive energy, but the gravitational field has negative energy, such that the total energy for a closed universe is zero, so it takes zero energy to create a closed universe.)

This means that Big Bangs are probably happening all the time, with entire bubble/universes springing out of the vacuum. However, life probably does not exist in most of these universes. Protons need to be stable for several billion years in order to create DNA (or at least some other auto-catalytic, self-replicating form of stable matter). So many of these other universes in the multiverse are probably lifeless, consisting of, say, a sea of electrons, neutrinos, and photons.

Our universe is probably one of the few in which the expansion is so great that the universe lives for many billions of years, enough for stable matter to form.

This may ultimately explain the Anthropic Principle: the puzzle that the physical constants of our universe seem "fine-tuned" to allow for intelligent life to form. Some have speculated that it was no accident that the physical constants of the universe are precisely those which allow for life to form. If the constants were a bit different, then deuterium and the higher elements would never have formed, and hence DNA could not exist.

However, this multiverse idea argues against that. It says that there are indeed an infinite number of dead universes, and our universe just happens accidentally to be one in which the constants of the universe accidentally came out consistent with life, so we are here to debate the question in the first place.

Can the multiverse theory be tested? Its critics say no, since a real test involves re-creating the Big Bang, which is impossible.

However, a new generation of satellites will soon make precise measurements of the microwave background radiation. Very small perturbations in the smooth "echo of the Big Bang" may possibly prove some version of the "inflationary universe theory," which in turn is nicely explained by the multiverse idea.

Similarly, many physicists (myself included) believe that we will one day solve the superstring theory, in which case we will be able to make precise statements about what happened before the Big Bang.

So until then, the multiverse theory is just that: a theory. However, it is a theory which has generated much excitement and a rash of papers in theoretical physics journals. I, for one, believe that we will one day prove the theory. — M.K.


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02-02-03

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About a dozen black holes have now been seen in outer space, such as M-87 and NGC-4258. They are huge galactic black holes, with swirling masses of gas traveling at about a million miles per hour, and are tens of millions of light years away. They have been seen by the Hubble Space Telescope and the Very Large Array Radio Telescope. As expected, the black holes eat up enormous quantities of stellar material and gas.

However, they will not eat up the universe. This is because all of them are widely separated from each other, so the empty vacuum of space prevents them from swallowing up all matter.

Also, black holes are expected to slowly radiate over time. This is because, by the quantum theory, particles should be able to "tunnel" through the huge gravity fields, which are powerful enough to create anti-matter/matter out of the vacuum. This is called Hawking radiation. It means that black holes, over billions of years, will eventually evaporate.

Originally, it was thought that anyone falling into a black hole would die horribly, compressed down to a tiny point. Now, physicists are not so sure. In 1963, mathematician Roy Kerr discovered a new solution of Einstein's equations in which the black hole is spinning and hence collapses into a spinning ring, rather than a dot. Miraculously, anyone falling though the ring would not experience infinite gravity, but might actually fall right through (like in Alice's Looking Glass) and live. The frame of the Looking Glass corresponds to the black hole (wormhole).

Since then, hundreds of other solutions to Einstein's equations have been discovered which, in principle, may allow one to fall through the wormhole and enter a parallel universe (or a distant point in the same universe).

There is much debate about this solution. Some think that it might be unstable, such that the wormhole might close as you enter it. Others think that quantum radiation effects might become infinite as you enter the wormhole. Others say that "white holes" should exist somewhere, which correspond to the other side of a wormhole. (White holes, which should spew enormous amounts of matter into space, have never been seen.)

My personal point of view is that all calculations showing the wormhole to be unstable are suspect. This is because these calculations use a simple (and therefore incorrect) version of Einstein's theory coupled with the quantum theory.

A real calculation of the stability of a wormhole will have to wait until we have a full-blown quantum theory of gravity (such as superstring theory, which is still too difficult to solve this question). Until then, it's an open question whether we can journey through the Looking Glass. — M.K.


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02-02-03

different universe theories

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/hawking/univ...html/univ.html

I'm supposed to be studying how perception works in the brain but I do get distracted so easily


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02-02-03

hmm, very interesting stuff...

what do you think about the theory that we are just another atom of something much bigger? as you appear to know, the universe acts very similarly, if not exactly, like an atom...

what do you think?


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But the real question for you to help me answer here is......where did it all came from???.....and how did it all begun??....was it the...big bang theory?? or that multiuniverse theory?, which I havnt fully understand yet


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05-12-04

simple answer to that is... "I had a dream"


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the word god by definition is the creator
the word theory by non-scientific definiton is an assumption based on limited information or knowledge

we dont know if religion is reality
all we do know is that the big bang occured, which started everything...
maybe god is the energy that started the big bang
maybe thats all there is to god...
i dont really buy the image these fiction books like the quran and the bible make of god...
what do you guys think?
actually, the big bang started everything per se, but the big bang is nothing more than a result of super-cata-clysmic explosion from a highly dense matter.......remnants of this specific type of matter is now dark matter(?).......the universe has more weight than calculations predicted....anyway, this matter existed prior the big bang...it had too....it had to move around and ionize and all that other fun shit before it could reach a highly dense physical state (note: physical state)......this period prior the big-bang has a name, uh i forget it, but it was named after some scientist who's name started with a P......anyway, so yeah....this is actually what started it......itz known as the "movement" to the beginning.....itz what started it all (and note: it wasn't in any actual physical state at the time!)

at least, this is what i learned in Astronomy........but like most sciences that involve outlandish, yet justified, however not proven, i am sure this is just one view on the matter.......

and why haven't i seen this thread before?! i love this whole "what started it" stuff......


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the word god by definition is the creator
the word theory by non-scientific definiton is an assumption based on limited information or knowledge

we dont know if religion is reality
all we do know is that the big bang occured, which started everything...
maybe god is the energy that started the big bang
maybe thats all there is to god...
i dont really buy the image these fiction books like the quran and the bible make of god...
what do you guys think?
Insufficiant information to form a reply: What do I think about what exactly? You do not even define much of a theory, you lay 4 assumtions without any basis.

As for "god" being the energy fueling the big bang, such energy was not sentient, since it detonated (annihilating it's cohesion and therefor any sentience within it).
If that was god, then god is dead.


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If the baloon was to represent the universe, then it would have to have started from something ay?


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The way I see God is much the way an astrophysicist sees the universe. It is a given, we are in it, we are part of it, we are surrounded by it, any observations we make about anything are finite compared to it.



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all we do know is that the big bang occured, which started everything...maybe god is the energy that started the big bang
maybe thats all there is to god...
The energy, making up the hyper-dense singularity that was the earliest formation of the universe we can determine, and the Big Bang are not separate things. "The Big Bang" is simply a term we use to describe a process that that energy underwent. That earliest enery is the same energy that makes up the universe today, only after many transformative processes. So to say that energy is god is to say that the universe is god. But if that were true, than God cannot be the creator of the universe, something cannot be its own creator, because supposes that that something existed before it existed, which is impossible.
  
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no it isn't.....as there are two types of existence (metaphysical and physical) you could justify that something existed metaphysically, prior the big-bang, then existed physically after the big-bang


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well to tell the truth
"i don't really care"
so long as when i ask the "being" Satan for something, he gives it to me

Meh


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