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Music - 11-06-04

Good music (good, in the moral sense) is orderly, mechanical, unemotional, gentle and delicate -- and most importantly, good music doesn't have any drum beats or anything of the sort; such are what I call the Devil's beat, which is most common in rock music and genres of music derived therefrom. Listening to music can be, and usually is, one of the most primitive of all human activities, especially nowadays, with all this rock music and "rap metal", which is currupting the younger generation. They use such music to control the minds and behaviour of the masses for insidious purposes,--- because it has the Devil's beat in it, and the masses' souls dance to the Devil's beat. Savages also underwent this method of control in their tribal games, and it was most effective: by utilising the Devil's beat they could control minds and turn people into "zombies". I believe this is called voodoo magic.

Also, here is a quotation on music which effectively proves my point:

". . . emotions of any kind are produced by melody and rhythm; therefore by music a man becomes accustomed to feeling the right emotions; music has thus power to form character, and the various kinds of music based on the various modes, may be distinguished by their effects on character - one, for example, working in the direction of melancholy, another effeminacy; one encouraging abandonment, another self-control . . ." -- Aristotle

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11-06-04

I don't feel like discussing. *Feels lazy*
  
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11-06-04

I wasn't being 100% serious in my original post anyway.



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I still don't feel like answering any post with more than 1-2 sentences. I'm suffering from sleep deprivation.... I should try to take a nap or something. *shrugs*
  
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11-06-04

I do agree with the idea that music should be unemotional, but the rest was actually quite amusing.


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11-06-04

fuck all that.....

how can any music be unemotional? take the oldest form of music known to man, the Gregorian Chant.....if the singers sang an Augmented Fifth, they cringed......itz the absolute most horrific chord known to man....i believe itz a Minor Fifth.....or sumtin? I forget....but the Augmented Fifth is also known as the "devil's chord".......now, is that not characteristic of some emotion....

also, you take the philosophy of aestheticism......as Nietzsche so clearly argues in the his essay "The Birth of Tragedy," all manner of art (though, he was specifically speaking about ancient Greek Tragedies in this context) has with it two principles.....the Appolian principle and the Dionysian prinicple...

take for example a painting:
--the appolian principle is the basic form of said painting....colors, brush strokes, etc.
--the dionysian principle is the painting itself....itz a forest, with snow, a lil' cabin by a lake....a feeling of coldness and isolation

all form of art can apply these two principles.....you can look at any style of music "including these devil beats" and advocate no emotional connection.....(the song is comprised of a scale, time signatures, a structure of verse, pre-chorus, verse, pre-chorus, chorus, post chorus, etc.)......or, you can advocate an emotional connection to it.....(the song is about a woman who cheats on her man and the man kills himself, oh how sad!)


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11-07-04

Music is vibration. Or at least that is my interpretation.Certain music,all music can have impact on people with pitches,tones,and the overall temper of the song.All music can be felt.Ambient for example will relax, and a high energy driven rock song will drive others.Music also sends certain energy waves towards the listeners,and along with the words.The message they want to give others.
  
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how can any music be unemotional? take the oldest form of music known to man, the Gregorian Chant.....if the singers sang an Augmented Fifth, they cringed......itz the absolute most horrific chord known to man....i believe itz a Minor Fifth.....or sumtin? I forget....but the Augmented Fifth is also known as the "devil's chord".......now, is that not characteristic of some emotion....
Diminished Fifth/Augmented Fourth, also called the "tritone" (because the two pitches are exactly three pitches apart). Very dissonant, yet many have used it well. The melody in Maria from West Side Story is heavily based on tritones.

Music is definitely emotional...the very existance of vibrato proves that, as its meant to replicate (in a sense) the wavering of the human voice in an emotional moment.

Also, I'm becoming more and more fond of putting music before most of the rest of the world.


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Savages also underwent this method of control in their tribal games, and it was most effective: by utilising the Devil's beat they could control minds and turn people into "zombies". I believe this is called voodoo magic.
Voodoo priests uses a sort of poison (which is extracted from a fish) to turn people into "zombies"

It's kinda like rohypnol (roofies),the person who took the poison doesn't know what is happening and can't properly control their body anymore.

And i also doubt that only music or a sound can put people in a trance.
  
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02-10-05

I agree that music is emotional.

The physical and emotional aspects of our being are tied together, and music is the physical repsonse and vibrating reaction to sound.
Most of us have little bones, and ear drum and an auditory nerve to feed our brain, and some people, like my partially deaf daughter, feel it more through their whole body. She has a small drum kit. Playing it makes her happy. That's an emotion.

Sounds are interpreted by our brain, the seat of emotions.
The two cannot be seperated.



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02-10-05

Go listen to Beethoven's Ode To Joy if you have any doubts about the emotional content of music.


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02-10-05

Amen. Or his fifth symphony. Or mostly anything by him, Shostakovich...and the beat goes on.


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i disagree....

to say a type of music (style or era or genre) will assuredly bring forth emotion is so incredibly incorrect in itz logic....

i for one do not listen to symphonic music....i find it boring.....Verdi's Requeim is about the only symphonic piece i enjoy......but those songs don't really give me any emotion.......

i'm very picky about my music, and i argue about music immensely.....music is like religion, everyone has their own belief.......as such, i hate damn near every style of music save various sub-genres of metal, even then it all depends on the band.....but as for emotion, i get emotional when i hear certain songs...."Vivica" by Jack Off Jill used to make me cry all the fuckin' time, and "I Want Something I Can Never Have" by NIN (a band i truly hate) always makes me feel nostalgic and depressed........right now, I'm listenin' to Madder Mortem and it makes me feel.....i unno.....but it makes me feel it.....the ethereal genre and atmospheric metal are very emotional......

but....i just....i get bothered when people always rant and rave about these great composers.......i mean, i've heard their music, i've played their music, i've studied (in some aspect) their music, and i gotta tell ya, i don't really give a fuck......itz not my style....and why? because i don't feel emotion from it......

but yeah, this really had nuttin' to do with anything, but i just thought i'd toss that out there since you two are all "listen to this, it'll make you feel _____".......um, no


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02-24-05

I think that any music worth anything has emotional content put into by it's creation and performance that will cause other people to associate and empathize with the narrative embodied in the piece for their own reasons and associations.
No one particular genre of music has this effect because it is up to the individual how they will be affected by the emotional content of the piece.
If classical music doesn't do anything for you, that's fine. I just mentioned it because I find Beethoven's Ode to Joy to be one of the purest and most intense expressions of emotion ever expressed through music. I'm not saying that you have to see it that way, it just has that affect on me so I recommend it from that standpoint.


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