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What do you have with dogs ? ? ?

Give me a cat any day , at least it has claws to scratch YOU !


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I'm still not following turak's line of reasoning. He tosses out the word "consumer" as if he's above all that and not a consumer himself. But the very fact that he's on a computer connected to the internet throws that out the window as bullshit.

We should change his user title to "Dark Fallacy". That'd be hawt.
idiot: accept the truth: you are a consumer.
  
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idiot: accept the truth: you are a consumer.

And what about you , you twat !
Your one too , you eat don't you , drive a car , have clothes on . You didn't found them on the street ! You bought them !
Ergo , your a consumer !
( Stupid Ass ! )


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And what about you , you twat !
Your one too , you eat don't you , drive a car , have clothes on . You didn't found them on the street ! You bought them !
Ergo , your a consumer !
( Stupid Ass ! )
now now... mustn't curse yourself:

or haven't you noticed, er... that this is exactly what you are doing?

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Your article is completely correct. It is also completely logical. It is alsocompletely sane.
It is also intelligent. It has a perspective. It has a perspective of the entire Earth as a whole...

However: how many people on Earth are completely logical, and completely sane, and completely intelligent? How many people have a perspective of the entire Earth as a whole?

Very, very few.

turak,

Many thanks for your comment. I am sorry I am responding very late to your post because I have visited the "DarkForum" after a long gap.


After the Industrial Revolution when man switched-over to mental work he began a never ending process of making new machines / things / products-- a process which can only end with the complete destruction of environment ( planet ).
When we make consumer goods we kill Animals/ Trees, Air/ Water and Land - directly or indirectly.
Industrial Society destroys ecosystems - all Industrial Societies destroy ecosystems.
It hardly matters whether it is "Capitalist Industrial Society" - "Communist Industrial Society" - or "Socialist Industrial Society".
Industrial Society destroys ecosystems at every stage of its functioning - when consumer goods are produced - when consumer goods are used - when consumer goods are discarded/ recycled.
Raw material for industry is obtained by cutting up Forests. It is extracted by mining/ digging up the earth. It comes by destroying/ killing Trees, Animals and Land.
Industries/ Factories use Water. The water that comes out of Factories is contaminated with hundreds of toxic chemicals. Industry kills Water. What to speak of Rivers - entire Oceans have been polluted.
Industry/ Factories burn millions of tonnes of fuel and when raw material is melted/ heated up, hundreds of toxic chemicals are released into the atmosphere. Industry kills Air.
Industrial Society has covered millions of square miles of land with cement and concrete. Industry kills Land.
When consumer goods are discarded/ thrown away in landfills it again leads to destruction of ecosystems.
When consumer goods are recycled, hundreds of toxic chemicals are released into air, water and land.
Consumer goods are sold/ marketed through a network of millions of kilometers of rail / road network and shipping routes which causes destruction of all ecosystems that come in the way.

Today 50% of world population - 3 bilion people are living in cities. The necessary work of growing/producing Food is being done outside cities - in villages and countryside. Most of the people living in cities are engaged in unnecessary work - making things, buying things and selling things. The switch-over from Physical work to Mental work/ Desk job has led to an endless cycle of unnecessary and destructive work.
When society switches over from physical work to mental work it starts making thousands of consumer goods. People start calling them necessities. They are not necessities at all - 90% of consumer goods that we see today did not exist 50 years ago.
Food, Water, Air, Little clothing, Little Shelter - these are necessities.
Close your nose and stop breathing for a few minutes - you will then know what necessity is.
Stop drinking water for a few days - you will then know what necessity is.
Stop eating food for a few days - you will then know what necessity is.
Today people are making thousands of consumer goods - not because they are necessities - but because they cannot stop making them. People cannot stop doing work - After switching over to mental work they will keep on making thousands of unnecessary consumer goods. Industrial Society is destroying necessary things[Animals,Trees,Air,Water and Land] for makng unnecessary things[Consumer Goods]. This is the reason why the switch-over from physical work to mental work is so destructive. This is the point of no-return - once this is crossed the destruction of Environment/ Nature is inevitable.

"Growth Rate" - "Economy Rate" - "GDP"
These are figures of "Ecocide".
These are figures of "crimes against Nature".
These are figures of "destruction of Ecosystems".
These are figures of "Insanity, Abnormality and Criminality".

Infinite growth and development on a tiny planet that is just 40,000 km in circumference? - Industrial Society is insane.

Man can repair and restore things that have been made by man himself. Car, Computer, Aeroplane, Rocket - if anything goes wrong with these things man can repair and restore.
Man cannot repair and restore Nature/ Environment - because man did not make Nature/ Environment. Once a Forest is destroyed - it is gone for millions of years. One cannot create a Forest in 5 or 50 years - it takes millions of years to make a forest - containing millions of species of animals, insects, birds, plants and trees. Man can create a plantation in 5 or 50 years - not a forest.
The only way to save Environment is by not destroying it - leave it alone - leave it undisturbed. If you destroy Environment you cannot repair and restore it.


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Your heart is in the right place BUT in fact Man can create "natural" products which resemble their natural counterparts.
We just tailored a simple microbe I believe it was. Soon enough mankind will be able to tailor petroleum eating bacteria, amongst other more fabulous bugs in order to tailor our environment to meet our needs.

We can also if we wanted to replenish our natural flora fairly easily if we so wish.

Right now almost 20,000 acres of land a year here in the USA is being developed for organic/natural production of grains and fruits and vegetables with predatory insecticide idealogy being used rather than chemical insecticide.

The organic/natural foods market is growing by over 25% a year.
It is a growing trend and will continue.



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Ok. You are in India. You have some understanding of English. Please explain why you keep sending us your bad taxi drivers? And why you guys work for 1cent an hour? WTF do you eat, a grain of rice a day? Yet you still manage to overpopulate the globe.
Is it something to do with this caste system I hear about, but no-one can tell me what it actually is?

By the way, I happen to enjoy industrial stuff as much as I enjoy nature.



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