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10-13-04

Thanks Sic. Can we only imagine what we already know?


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i shall think not.....but, whatz imagination based off of really? empirical perception? even technology? so....does that mean we can't really imagine nothing new, just things better?


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That's what I was asking. Can we only combine what we believe already exists?


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Maybe new thread....but then does anyone really care?


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i don't care.....um....

well in terms of Philosophy of Technology, Heidegger said is best when he said man shall no longer create anew....only further enhance the old.....whereby, mankind is now the subject and slave of his own creations.....

so, yeah, i think creativity of something new has virtually surpassed mankind.......


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the universe is truly infinite, is anything truly forbidden? If the universe is truly infinite, is anything truly impossible?
Nothing is forbidden or impossible because that would mean that there are boundaries. Which, of course, can't occur because the universe is infinite.

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Are there finite amounts of love and hate/good and evil in the world? If so, do you think that these amounts are equal?
There are no boundaries in love and hate, just blurred lines that are subjective to any individual's perception.
Love and hate should be equal because if one is "heavy" or "light" it tends to over balance.

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Of course. Time is a mere objective tool based upon numbers which are fallible.


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Nothing is forbidden or impossible because that would mean that there are boundaries. Which, of course, can't occur because the universe is infinite.

There are no boundaries in love and hate, just blurred lines that are subjective to any individual's perception.
Love and hate should be equal because if one is "heavy" or "light" it tends to over balance.

Of course. Time is a mere objective tool based upon numbers which are fallible.

don't you guys ever read the other posts?

nothing is forbidden?

non-existence is forbidden....you tell me how non-existence can exist....itz a contradiction in terms......itz forbidden.......a circle with four right corners is forbidden....a triangle without some comprehension of three sides is forbidden.......

the balance of love and hate...

please explain.....without concerning the "correlation of opposites" theory

time...

time with numbers is indeed a tool....nonetheless, you can't disregard that time as motion does seem to exist....things move, age, change, etc....this is motion, and with motion there must be time....


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don't you guys ever read the other posts?
Yes, I do.

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non-existence is forbidden....you tell me how non-existence can exist....itz a contradiction in terms......itz forbidden.......a circle with four right corners is forbidden....a triangle without some comprehension of three sides is forbidden.......
I diagree. Non-existance can't be forbidden because that would mean it would've had to exist. And it can't exist if it's non-existantant. A circle is subjective to how we perceive a circle should be, just like a triangle. If a person is not taught about circles, or what they are, shape, etc. how can they acknowledge that it is a circle? The same with a triangle.

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please explain.....without concerning the "correlation of opposites" theory
To know what love is, you would have to had felt some other emotion (i.e. hate) to have known what love would feel like. If a person loves/hates too much, the person becomes unbalanced and "love" and "hate" birth into something else. It also means that the other side becomes un balanced or "un-equal". Again, its a matter of perception.

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time with numbers is indeed a tool....nonetheless, you can't disregard that time as motion does seem to exist....things move, age, change, etc....this is motion, and with motion there must be time....
Time is a human invention to calculate the rate of motion through a number of instances. For example, time is used to measure when the sun moves, how many sands can fall, etc.. There will always be motion with or without time. Because motion is a continous force that can never truly be stopped. Time is just a measurement of this.


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you seem to have said the same thing i said concerning non-existence....it is forbidden, and there's no way to even clarify that it might exist......like you said, it can't exist if itz non-existant....this means it exists as such.....that which can't exist, is non-existant.....thatz fine and dandy, but this places it into existence as that which can't exist....that which is non-existant.....itz a contradiction in terms.....

and indeed, a triangle and a circle boils down to perception, nonetheless they're infallible truths.....we could go on and on and on about this and that, saying a circle only is a circle because we define it as thus and blah, blah, blah....the point is, we know what a circle is, we have knowledge of the meaning of a circle, and regardless if that's our perception or not, the very defination of circle is that which has no sides or corners....hence, it is forbidden to even consider having a circle with a corner....try and percieve it right now, a circle with four sides and a corner....you can't.....

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To know what love is, you would have to had felt some other emotion (i.e. hate) to have known what love would feel like. If a person loves/hates too much, the person becomes unbalanced and "love" and "hate" birth into something else. It also means that the other side becomes un balanced or "un-equal". Again, its a matter of perception.
this is an interesting concept....and you didn't go into the correlation of opposites like so many.....and i agree with this......yet, have you ever heard of the "hierarchy of emotions"?.....itz a theory, that actually falls into the category of the philosophy of evil and proving god's existance (don't ask).....but i've always liked this theory......it says, like you said, you can't have one emotion without having another......for example, if a person is sick, they recieve sympathy, whereby the sick person feels gratitude, whereby the other person will in a sense feel happiness for recieving gratitude.....itz kinda hard to explain, but you get the point.......

however, you were speakin' of an "unbalance"....yet, by this theory, for every emotion their are two emotions that balance it......for example: LOVE....on the one side, that which leads to love, is "hate".....on the upside, that which stems from love is "happiness"......

you were saying that if one person hates/loves too much, it becomes unbalanced and thus turns into something else.....but according to the theory i provided, it already will turn into something else......so this kinda adds another egg into your batter there......

we should discuss this further.....i'm thoroughly interested in emotions and what, if any, type of philosophy might occur from this....

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Time is a human invention to calculate the rate of motion through a number of instances. For example, time is used to measure when the sun moves, how many sands can fall, etc.. There will always be motion with or without time. Because motion is a continous force that can never truly be stopped. Time is just a measurement of this.
i am well aware of time being a human invention....but you don't seem to adhere the fact that despite time being a mathematical instrument, it nonetheless does exist.....as you said, time is a measurement....you can't measure nothing......regardless if human civilization perishes or even if time was never invented.....the big bang still occured, the universe grows, and at some point the universe will collapse or die or whatever.....this is MOTION....motion is TIME...the mathematical concept of time is subjective......MOTION is objective.....


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You seem to have said the same thing i said concerning non-existence....it is forbidden, and there's no way to even clarify that it might exist......like you said, it can't exist if itz non-existant....this means it exists as such.....that which can't exist, is non-existant.....thatz fine and dandy, but this places it into existence as that which can't exist....that which is non-existant.....itz a contradiction in terms.....
Okay, we can agree on this.

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and indeed, a triangle and a circle boils down to perception, nonetheless they're infallible truths.....we could go on and on and on about this and that, saying a circle only is a circle because we define it as thus and blah, blah, blah....the point is, we know what a circle is, we have knowledge of the meaning of a circle, and regardless if that's our perception or not, the very defination of circle is that which has no sides or corners....hence, it is forbidden to even consider having a circle with a corner....try and percieve it right now, a circle with four sides and a corner....you can't.....
They can't be infalliable truths if they only based upon a perception that has been taught to us. Definitions of words can change throughout history. But I do understand your point.

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however, you were speakin' of an "unbalance"....yet, by this theory, for every emotion their are two emotions that balance it......for example: LOVE....on the one side, that which leads to love, is "hate".....on the upside, that which stems from love is "happiness"......
The unbalance would be from if somebody felt too much one thing which ultimately leads to another, for example; too much love can turn to obsession and passisivity. Too much hate can turn into rage, etc. It can be seen as a ripple effect. When a particular emotion occurs, the greater/lesser the wave the outcome will be different. The unbalance can be seen through what emotions are felt and the outcomes of this.

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you were saying that if one person hates/loves too much, it becomes unbalanced and thus turns into something else.....but according to the theory i provided, it already will turn into something else......so this kinda adds another egg into your batter there......
True, but couldn't that mean it might become unbalanced if a "positive" emotion becomes "negative"?

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we should discuss this further.....i'm thoroughly interested in emotions and what, if any, type of philosophy might occur from this....
So am I.

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i am well aware of time being a human invention....but you don't seem to adhere the fact that despite time being a mathematical instrument, it nonetheless does exist.....as you said, time is a measurement....you can't measure nothing......regardless if human civilization perishes or even if time was never invented.....the big bang still occured, the universe grows, and at some point the universe will collapse or die or whatever.....this is MOTION....motion is TIME...the mathematical concept of time is subjective......MOTION is objective.....
I'm going to disagree with this. Motion isn't time. Time is a human conception of measuring speed (which goes on to motion). Without time, motion will continue on and the sun will still rise/fall. Yes, the big bang would have occured but it didn't need the concept of time to do so. It is a subjective tool that humans have learnt through their watching of the sun rise and fall.
Would the sun still rise and fall without time? Motion will still exist without time we just wouldn't be able to measure it or document its trace.


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you raise some very interesting points....i'm glad you found your way here....

i don't really have much more to comment on (plus, i'm very tired).....but by all means, we should discuss some more.....perhaps start a new thread.....


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