Reading the posts here... and ALL the posts on the internet:

The problem with your generation: is that you have been misinformed and miseducated. You have been fed garbage from kindegarten all the way up to higher education.

Now... the internet has amplified this. Now the Internet has created web sites with billions of more misleading, false, information and pure fantasy. and crazed idiotic notions.

Until each one of you do your own hard work of sifting the facts from the lies... None of your opinions or ideas are worth bothering with.

Why?

Because you have been fed 99% lies mixed with 1% truths...

You have a few good ideas: which are actually TRUE amd logical.

Towhit:

The Universe did not come from nowhere. It did not come out of nothing.

TRUE!

Believe it or not... you are AHEAD of SCIENCE in that regard... Scientists do NOT admit this simple logical fact.

However... there are billions of scientific facts any of you could use to prove this truth.

But in order to do this: you have to be able to sift the lies and fallacies that Science spouts, from the actual verifiable data...

Only if youare curious and interested enough to do your own thinking and your own research: will you EVER come up with your own understanding of ANY question.

But all of you are not curious enough to do this. The result is that you just throw wild, crazt conjectures out... with nothing to back it up with.

Your entire education, all the things they taught you that you ASSUME are true... has to be critically re-examined by each one of you.

In other words... you have to become your OWN research scientist. You have to do your OWN homework, and not try to steal any notes from web sites that may not have the correct information.

You have to CROSS-REFERENCE your findings.

Only after you find enough cross-references can you begin to find out the truth about anything...

Truth is simple. It is also layered. It is also hidden.

Once you start uncovering and discovering hidden truths... you will find much to your surprise that these truths are very simple and easy to understand. They are also complex: because every truth is connected to every other truth.

If you want to understand where the Universe came from: look for CONNECTIONS between verified facts. CROSS-REGERENCE these facts and truths...

The art of thinking logically and being logical is looking for connections, and making connection... ONLY WHERE THEY ACTUALLY ARE. Not where you think they should be.

Once you find enough verified connections... you will find a BODY of truth. The more connections you find, the farther you can explore these truths, by finding and making more verified logical connections.

Finding truth is like blindly feeling your way with your hands. Once you FEEL something under your own hands and understand it, and sense it... then you can explore further whatever you are touchingwith your hands.

But you CANNOT do this with only your brain. You can only do this when you integrate your feelings and actions and mind: so you understand what you are exploring on more than an abstract level.

This is why the scientific is useful: to see with yourown eyes and test what you feel with your hands and your emotions: will give you not only a good understanding, but the certainty that what you have found out is actually true.

I do not see any of you doing this.

All of you are wasting your time here: because none of you want to give up the bullshit you have been brainwashed with.

It is better for you to throw ALL of what you assume to be true out the window and start with a clean slate. At least that way, you will not have prejudces against the actual truth when you find out that what was told you was a bunch of crap.

To find the truth, you must be CRITICAL of everything, and QUESTION everything...

If you do not go any farther than THAT... Then you remain an empty-headed idiot. You have to then sift the facts from the lies.

None of you do that.

Which is why none of you will ever learn anything new.

None of you question your own assumptions: which is why none of you change your assumptions.

Take all information with a grain of salt... but do not throw out infoirmation!

Just keep it... until you find domething you can connect it to.

One of your worst practices is unconnected bits of information that are not connected.

To connect information... you HAVE TO READ BOOKS!!! You lazy morons!

To connect information... YOU HAVE TO DO THINKING on the subject and question it, and critically examine every bit of information to see if it fits or not.

THEN after that... you can start throwing out erroneous bits that do not fit,

But none of you are intersted in learning anyways... this forum is only a superficial distraction for you all>

you see your logical fallacy turak is you assume you know anything at all. doing away with that erred presumption, your opinion to us is just as meaningless, if not more so, than our possibly wrong opinions.

oh, and i'll go cross reference nasa's website now. asswipe. what were they thinking?

If you want to learn: do not hate your teacher

Unless you want to be lied to: do not worship authority.

You apparently WANT to be lied to.

The only problem is... you have not cross-referenced ANYTHING. with ANYTHING.

Your mind is a complete blank. Your brain is empty. You have nothing to say. You have no education.

Spouting obscenities merely classifies you.

Are you always on drugs?

i'll keep that in mind next time i meet somebody who has something to teach me. thanks.

oh, i don't worship authority. thanks for the helpful tip though.

i'm afraid i lost you here. maybe you should go cross reference something. (i picked up that technique from you)

yeah i did. what, do i have to quote my sources, too?

i'd like to see your sources. wait, here we go.
2 = 2 = 4. cos(pi/4 rad) = sqrt(2)/2 = 1 / sqrt(2). all's fair in love and war. d/dx(3x) = 3.
see? i guess i could have just read that off a sheet, but the burden of proof's on you, buddy. i'll give you my address if u wanna visit. i'd love to have you.

true that! you can tell a lot about a person by the kind of stuff they... spout. like you, too. hmmm.... smells like... cabbage?

You have not added a single thought of your own to this thread.

Copying is not thinking. Nor are you logical. Nor are you educated.

Unless you think the epitome of an adult education is being able to add two and two.

When you have something to say: say it. So far you have said nothing.

[quote=apostate87;1570984]i'll keep that in mind next time i meet somebody who has something to teach me. thanks.


"i don't worship authority."

If you do not worship authority: why are you only cross-referencing NASA, eh? Little boy?

try cross-referencing facts

NASA is full of lies.

Some of its facts are scientifically correct.

Unless you do the necessary research: you will never know which is which if you only use NASA as a reference.

Have you never done your own research before?

if you have not: learn how to do it.

The first thing you learn when entering any University is that they will not accept any work that is just cribbing off refernce pages. They require you to do your OWN thinking, and come up with your OWN ideas, and support them with your OWN justifications.

None of which you have learned to do.

Until you do: you will not be able to hold up your end of ANY arguement.

Do you understand?

Once you become educated: you will be able to argue your own viewpoint with anyone.

But so far... you do not even have one yet.

haha, i'm in college man, and doing pretty good. lol. i'm not on the debate team or anything, but i'm certainly not failing. by a longshot. i'll have a's and b's, and am taking all honors classes. and everybody here seems to like my work.

what do you do for a living, by the way? i'm curious.

don't hate your teacher

"[quote=apostate87;1570984]i'll keep that in mind next time i meet somebody who has something to teach me. thanks."

Unfortunately: that is all you do.

Your teacher is:

LIFE

You hate LIFE.

You hate your life

Your teacher is:

YOU

You hate yourself

Youir teacher is anyone who tells you the truth.

You hate all people who tell you anything. You are still rebelling aginst your parents.

Please do not respond to this post: I have foiund too many children like you: all reacting predictably: all denying anything that is true, all not interested in what is true, all only interested in sounding smart.

oh but i so like responding to you! and you keep responding to me! ha. if i'm so much the child, you'll let this post be the last. so far you've been predictable yourself. whenever anyone says anything even seemingly negative about what you say, you always respond. i would bet my ass. literally. prove how juvenile i am by letting this thread go cold.

i am smarter than you. hence, what i believe is correct and what you believe is wrong.

Really? Pray tell what college?

The college of Funk'n Wagnals?

Do you drink all night and sleep inclass all day?

Do they pass you with a rubber stamp?

Do they teach you anything except how to avoid hard work?

You seem very proud of being in college: what has college done for you?

i am proud to be here, i'm proud of my whole life, and live my life so i have no regrets.

i'm at auburn university, a state school in alabama. i'm studying software engineering (computer science by another name).

my favorite subjects are math, physics, and programming. i do well in them and enjoy discussing them with others. i like to think that the logic needed in them (especially programming) helps me think logically. i think in terms of cause->effect. it's easy.

i love english, but it's the class i have to work hardest at. the others come naturally.

music appreciation, to tell the truth, bores me. i did my best in it and am consoled by the fact that i never have to take it again. i feel like i gave liking it a shot, and it just didn't work out. my grade will be fine but i feel i learned very little.

i do drink a lot, and smoke a lot, and sometimes sleep a lot. i never sleep through class and avoid missing class (i may have missed class 2x this semester, two different classes). i consider myself mature and responsible. i am proud of my accomplishments and acknowledge that there are people both more intelligent and less intelligent than me. i look for the insight in what everyone says. i love learning things, and most of the things i learn do come from other people and books. but more than learning i love thinking - hence my proclivity towards programming. it's a lot like applied philosophy and math, really, if you've ever tried it. it's rewarding, like drawing a picture and solving a physics problem all at once.

all in all, i think college is a pretty nice place to chill. it stimulates my thinking and gives me new experiences to chew on. in that respect, it's been great so far. i'm only a freshman by the way. today was the last day of classes.

so what do you do for a living? do you still work? are you retired? where did you go to college? what did you study? what is your field of specialization? i think it would be only civil to tell me, after this confession.

Dear boy: I have nothing to teach you:

you do not understand logic.

Programming is not logic.

So go suck up to your professors.

If you find a professor who will teach you logic: and if you begin to use your brain for more than a garbage dump of on's and off's:

Then maybe you will be able to hold up your side of an arguement...

BUT!!!

Before you argue about anything: you have to have the actual FACTS AT YOUR DISPOSAL

and you have to develop an OPIONION about those facts.

And you have to develop an UNDERSTANDING of those facts.

And then you have to ask yourself: 'what do I stand for?'

Once you go through this learning curve: then you can look back at your schooling: and critically assess what was told you as the god's hoinest truth.

Then after you do a LOT of soul-searching, and self-doubting, and exploration, and MORE research, and come up with YOUR OWN ANSWERS...

Which you have EARNED.

THEN you will becomed LEARNED.

Then you can tell all of your professors and all the courses youwent through to go to hell: because THEN...

You will be able to sift the truth from the bullshit, and THEN you will finally have an OPINION... which you... IF you have any guts: will STAND UP for.

But you are a consumer. You expect this magical 'knowlege' to be given to you.

You expect to consume this abstract crap: and it will magically make you... 'educated'....

Until you finish your schooling and begin to LIVE.

You are an empty can being filled with god knows what.

Until you critically investigate what you have been filled with: you will never know if it is good or bad or logical or illogical.

Rmember: asshole. You TOLD me that I have nothing to teach you.

So listen to your precious acedemic 'teachers'

See if you have the guts to challenge them if you find something illogical about what they say.

You will either be thrown out of the class: or you will leave of your own accord... OH!

That was assuming you can think logically: which you cannot.

either tell me about you or concede that you do not need to be taken seriously.

child: you are grasping at straws:

If you were mature: you would take every truth you found, and value it: regardless of where you found it.

Until you display some ability to learn: I cannot teach an ape like you how to learn.

I will give you a few hints though:

If you actually want to learn anything: get rid of your pride. Get rid of your ego. Then shut up and listen.

Also: get rid of your need to idolize others.

Also: get rid of your addiction to attacking the truth.

Also: admit the truth when you see it.

Also: stop lying.

Also: be honest with yourself and with others.

Also have the guts to admit you are wrong when you find to your amazement that you actually are wrong.

Alsoi: develop a love of the truth, and develop a hatred of all liars.

Develop a revulsion for all hypocrites.

Live your life as honestly and as courageously as you can.

Once you begin to do that: you will stop PROJECTING your own self-revulsion and self-hate out onto other people.

Then you will begin to get some sane balance into your thinking.

Then you willnot focus on 'who' anyone is that tells you the truth. Then you will be a friend of all people who are truthful and honest instead of their enemy: which you are right now.

You have a LONG row to hoe before you EVER can come to me in all honesty and discuss ANYTHING.

If it suits your imagination to imagine me as something: you will be very very disappointed.

Because I am not a fake or a liar or a hypocrite. At least I try not to be.

But YOU!!

HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!

'Tell me something about yourself.'

HA!HA!HAHA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!

I have already stripped you NAKED.

And you still do not have the faintest clue on who this mystery person is who can strip people naked of their illusions.

That is because I do not have any illusions.

You have them.

turak, all you've proven is that you're out of your mind. you have nothing to add to any discussion because you feel superior to others for no reason. you are hypocritical and illogical and know nothing - not even that you know nothing. not even that much do you know. i see no truth in what you say, and you refuse to even try to show it to me. you want to help us but at the same time deny that we can be helped. you want to convince us while at the same time demanding that we not let others convince u