I won't explain how exactly I know that the future is impossible to "change". I won't delve into the more insane and perhaps mentally broken statements that would, in turn, result in you screaming out that I deserve some medicine shoved down my throat to keep me quiet and content.

But allow me to explain why I consider the future an always changing, yet impossible to change thing.

Right now the future is set in stone. While we're futzing about everything that is and will is happening in all other times, everything has happened.

Now if we introduce a "wild variable" into the mix, such as someone seeing what lies into the future, then the future and the surrounding times would all change to reflect what in turn would result from the introduction of the variable.

Basically:

1+1=2

That's the timeline right now. 2 is known, 1+1 is happening, and due to restricted mental and physical abilities most beings are only able to see the 1+1.

Now if we add in a variable:

1+1-1=1

AS you can see the variable has changed the outcome, although this change is INSTANT and again humans can not see that it is changed, because they're yet again restricted.


Now time itself, and reality, is far more complex than a mere 1+1, but due to the simplistic and logical might of math that is how it will, and perhaps always will be.

Thank you and good night!

*sighs* Those who want to see the future keep forgetting, the number of variables, and therefor the number of possible outcomes are INFINITE. Therefor any prediction has a chance at being true, that is infinitely small, if only the prediction would cover all details. Apart from that, a prediction that is undesired by the recipiant party will certainly keep them away from the line predicted...

It is reality that is altered in such a case. Each "variable" is a power of the number of realities possible in that timeframe ('cause it sure as hell ain't a line). And that frame covers all the possible, no matter how remote. The timeline you speak of would then be a line running through the frame, based on the choices made.

No, I'm talking about how all of those choices have already been made, because they're happening now, happened already and will happen again.

The past is the line that has traced us here, the wake we leave behind in the frame. The present is the course we take. The future is unset, since each choice that has not yet been fixed by the passing of time, can be altered again.

And that's where I disagree.

You look at it like most people do, it's happening in the present, thus the future isn't happening and the past has happened.

I look at it like everything is happening at one time, thus everything is pre-known as to what will occur, and any visions of the future will result in the timeline changing immediately to reflect what will and did occur.

Hmm, would you consider the possability that anytime the future gets changed, by whatever means, that it may actually create an alternate timeline/universe that could exist parallel to ours 'as we know it'??

If you want to believe that it can then sure.

I just consider the universe to be everything and anything, and the choices have been made.

Hence 2(past) = (present)1 + 1 = 2(future)


Or rather, everything has happened and will happen and is happening.
It'll always correct itself out so that it's always right, or rather "equal".

Again..I won't bother saying why I believe this to be the total truth, but huggle my wuggle

I do understand your point of viewing... 'Xept what I do not understand is why you see only the one line within the frame of reality by time. Everything is happening... but parallel. And the choices we make decide which parallel becomes ours...

I'll try your math concept. Let's assume A and B as variables of choice.
So (Past) * (A + B = present choices) = (Future)
Now, let's assume B is the variable that is predicted, and therefor altered. A is the actual prediction. This would leave 4 possibilities:
Past = Future (no prediction, condition B did not occur)
Past*A = Future (prediction without acting on it)
Past*B = Future (prediction proves false)
Past *(A+B) = Future (prediction causes change in B)

My theory would be, since there is no fixed path, that all 4 happen, since they are all possible. Our conciousness will navigate us along the line we wish to proceed.

I only see the one line because there is only one line. Everything has already been decided, thus the variables are no longer variables but set factors.

i didn't know that 1+1=2

i thought the answer to that would be 3.......

And what, then, sets these "factors", and when?

Not when.

Time, to us, must exist for time itself is something we can not get beyond.
Time, currently for us, is always slipping by, each second and moment vanishing into the past.

But when Time becomes nothing more than another easily traveled or seen dimension like height, width or depth Time becomes obsolete. We see it and we see everything.

Currently all of the variables have already been dealt with, because while our current time might not be at the time when it occurs the time that it occurs has already happened and will happen again.

Everything is decided immediately, right off the bat, with any variables becoming set factors instantly and resulting in an equalization of the temporal/reality mathematical equation.

It's..hard to explain without sounding odd

current theories suggest that it IS possible to predict the future, that everything can be "fated", but in order to understand it, one would have to create a pocket universe whose sole purpose is to calculate every variable currently in play in our universe... a task that is no doubt infeasible.

so who cares.

Exactly.

Here's a crazy question...if you know something is fact but you don't know how to prove that it is fact what can you do?

What you would do either way. The primary importance of knowledge is not what you know or how you know, it's what you do about it.

We will, unless for some odd reason we can NOT change things in the past, be travelling at both reality and time. Unless we can direct which reality we must follow (IE steer the choices, the variables, all gazillions of them) we will be going forward in time, but be adrift as far as to which reality we go to. I imagine it'd be something like what happens to the characters in the TV series "Sliders". (They traverse realities without traversing time).
Since you brought up the theory of time travel, answer me this...
The classical paradox: You invent a timetravelling machine. You travel back in the past and you kill your mother before she can give birth to you. What would happen to you and your machine?
1st option: The paradox: Your mother dies, so you never existed. You and the machine vanish. This leaves the problem, that if you never existed, you could not have killed your mother.
2nd option: Reality traversion: Since you killed your mom you force the timeline to a different course. You will never be born -in that reality- and if you follow the same timeline into the future you will have not existed. However, since it is not the reality you originated from, you will still be there. A visitor in an alien reality.
Sounding odd is allright as long as you make sense.

Multiverse ...its all about the Multiverse ...
And thoose darn pesky guardians of reality ..

Thats why my laser eye beams can toltal destroy the house next door but I see no damage lol !! chew on dat one

The time paradox doesn't work.
Upon going to a different place in time you have therein become seperated from anything relating to the timeline you might have been in.

Or rather:

1+3=3+1

Take the second 1 and put it before the first 3:
1+1+3=5

You would remain, but the future would have been altered instantly by the change in the "temporal formula".

Then how about this:
My dreams showed me the future, and it has happened, and my belief has then originated from a strong "feeling" that originates from that.

Lik