No, you want me to be angry and jealous so that's what you are going to assume. That's what you always do. I already told you what bothers me about your part in this argument.
Here; You imply that she is submissive and that there is a connection between her ethnicity and her nature more then once:

First, you make a baseless statement without presenting any evidence to back your claim. Then you brag about your Chinese girlfriend. If her ethnicity is irrelevent as you claim then why mention it after a statement in which you imply that foreign women are superior to American ones? Also, how does her ethnicity have any bearing at all if she is a naturalized citizen?

Later on you state:
Please explain how this is not implying that her nationality is what makes her meet your definition of feminity.

Done, This is all you.

I might as well quote half the thread but I'll try . . .

Here you attack Jordyn for no reason other then the fact that she disagree's:

Here you accuse Guy Person of being emasculated:

Stated to Guy Person again:

This entire thread you've been making assumptions and marginalizing anyone that disagrees with you. I would think that a masculine man would be able to simply present his opinions and let the wisdom inherent in them stand for itself.

I just read this last post and agree mostly with Iron. I feel that there will always be enough of a polarity between men and women that people don't necessarily need tohang on extremely tightly to prescribed gender roles. I probably think this way because I believe we are here to learn and grow and becoming more whole usually does mean balancing yourself out a lot. On the other hand, I do see that because of the way the world has become structured, to change this immediately would likely cause a lot of chaos on a lot of levels.

Feminism has changed over the years. It is/was nice to have people united for a common cause, though I think it's more up to the individual anyway.

once again going on a personal tirade using bigoted opinions and open hate in an attempt to justify your arguement...

i've never slept with a paper boy or delivery guy...and as this is not something you've ever had an experience with except in your own, shallow mind, like any of the other arguements you've presented on feminism, homsexuality or swingers; (which are entirely different from open relationships.)

it's back to your own personal vendetta against anything that doesn't mesh with your ideal of the manly man with the perfectly demure female waiting at home to kneel to his every need, ready to beat her or divorce her for daring to show any independence from his wishes.

i suppose it's okay for manly men to have mistresses?

that's a traditional practice too.

I asked you not to show me your inference... not to splice words. but to show me where I said she is submissive. Cant you read? And I dont want you to be angry, I want you to realize that youre a dumbass... but the jealousy etc is obvious from your attempts to dissect me. Your assumptions say more about you than me. And they scream jealousy or something similar.



Because as I stated in the sentence, men who dont want to put up with femnazis find it easy these days due to technology to meet women who arent afraid to be females elsewhere around the world. I brought up a number of countries, I mentioned my girlfriend because she is not afraid to be a woman. I also mentioned that shes a US citizen though, which works against what youre saying. I didnt have to meet her in China, that was a seperate clause youre trying to ties together with my other statement. It looks good on paper but anyone with eyes can see that theres 2 seperate ideas there. The point of the entire message was though that luckily men dont have to put up with Jane Fondas anymore they can meet women who understand that men and women are not the same physically and who dont go apeshit when a man tries to hold a door, or dote on her.



I am not sure where I brought it up... I did mention men go to other nations to meet women who arent ashamed of being women... I dont see where I mentioned myself specifically in that sentence. But I do willingly agree that non-american and western women tend to be more womanly than the ones here, theresa funny and yet truthful website I can elad you towards. You will hate it of course because it will enforce natural sterotypes you are afraid of because its easier for you to be an omega male and clamp on to an abusive whore you treats you like a child... but nontheless here check this out:

http://www.nomarriage.com/
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So in your world, a woman who prepares dinner for her man, is submissive? Does it matter that I never asked her to, that she just does it because she likes to cook? Or is a woman only allowed to cook for men when she paid for it or it empowers her? I feel sad for you, but your ramblings do reek of a certain lonliness, with a tinge of envy/hatred for men/women who have happy relationships. I attacked Jordyn though because she doesnt understand how the dynamics of modern feminism damage young boys. Then she decided to rattle on about how awsome her relationship is... I decided I should remind her that she and her husband have an "open" relationship... not exactly the most healthy setup for a marriage. And dont give me any fucking "whos to say whats healthy" I am tired of your liberal bullshit relativism. Some things are just wrong morally, fucking every paper boy because your husband is too small minded to give a shit is not healthy. Especially when you both got kids.



He openly asked me whats wrong with emasculation and defended it, I dont make the rules I just call em like I see em. If youre emasculated, deal with it.



Luckily youre not masculine. Real men arent afraid of a little tough talk, real men arent going to stifle themselves when they see a wrong happening. Real men take stands, they dont cry themselves to sleep wondering what happend to thier nutsacks.

Why do you hate masculinity so much that you have to redefine it? Were you drugged as a boy or did you give up your ball willingly? I bet the latter.

No its morally bankrupt for a man to have a mistress and I think less of men who cheat on thier girlfriends/wives.

I just happen to think even less of women who fuck anything that will get its dick close enough because thier husband is too stupid to care.

Your moral relativism is whats wrong with the country these days. Anything perverse isnt really perverse anymore... the more taboo the better. I say FUCK THAT. close your fucking legs, and have some goddamned decency.

Yes, blatently ignore the points that I made; the very things you stated and make the same idiotic, juvenile assumptions and accusations. I hate to break it to you but ignoring valid arguments and insisting that you are right in your assumptions is not masculine; it's childish.

Fool you made no points I asked for specific cases where I said the things you said I did and ALL you could give us were assumptions that said more about you than me. I even posted in the post above to give me specific quotes where I said that shit and you STILL didnt follow through. Your crusade ot mask your jealousy is nearly over, you failed. Sorry. Enjoy your pillow.

By the way shave and lose some weight. Hair cut wouldnt hurt niether.

What's wrong? Getting a little testy because deep down you know I'm right? Anyone who bothers to really observe people knows that people like you act the way they do because they are scared. You're just trying to hide the fact that you are a pussy. What do Pussies do Billy? They don't face up to things with stoicism and will. They Bitch and moan about every little thing that frightens them to put what they percieve into a context where they can marginalize it and muffle it's impact. If there's anything that you can't understand or deal with, you go into mental lockdown and completely refuse to acknowledge it. Just like a child who will cover his ears, close his eyes and scream as loud as he can until what he doesn't want to see or hear goes away.

Its like you totally ignored my last post and switched topics or something. I am ASKING you to post the things you claim that I said... How is that for not facing up to your accusations? I know you wont post them because I never said them. Wannabe eggheads like yourself with more rhetoric than brian mass cant make good points because youre simply not intelligent enough.

Now do you want to back your claims or do you want me to continue on talking about what a fat bearded eunich freak you are who will die alone and virginized?

I already made the points you insisted on; you ignored them as you do anything that makes you uncomfortable: and so I'm moving on.
Meanwhile, you continue to throw a childish tantrum.

No you didnt. What you did was take obscure text and make inferences. You said that I SAID those things. now please quote the exact text where I said it.

You can move on because you lost and also because youre a waste of life... thats cool. But dont pretend to take some moral high ground just because I salpped you across the face with a cock a few times and made you look silly.

No, I quoted specific posts from this thread, that you made, that clearly imply that you referred to your Girlfriend as submissive and that she is submissive due to her ethnicity. However, you refuse to acknowledge this as to do so would be unnaceptable for you.
Rather then acknowledge something you find unpleasent like a truely secure individual would do: It would seem that you intend to keep repeating the same basic stance over-and-over again (You proved nothing, you're an emasculated, eunuch, hairy bastard etc, etc.) in the hope that I will become frustrated and leave you alone. Pussy.

lmfa

gotta say iron i didnt see where billy made the statments you claimed he did.

of course your both extremists although on this topic Billy seems more in the right and the extreme librals come in and say he is trying to put down women I dont really see it. I do see some femnist bashing (justified in my opinion seems like the other side of the same coin)

anyway as is typical for our society we have overcompensated for what our leaders had seen a an injustice (anything to win some votes)

I think Billy and Iron's Rite should make out. Then all their problems would be solved when they realized they are both FLAMING QUEERS.

Reread the thread. Some agreed, others politely disagreed while even admitting that he had a point; after which he started to insult anyone who disagreed in the slightest. If he didn't want the subject debated at all, why did he even post a thread on it?
Finally, I haven't even said anything about my own views on gender roles and feminism.

Clearly imply... jumbo shrimp? Icy hot?

You know you want my goodness.