Originally Posted by Dyshade

My

As for burningbush.... I cannot figure him... or her... mainly because of all the out of context back and forth rhetoric that goes on

Originally Posted by Jordyn

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what is the world without man?

Originally Posted by theburningbush

Him, atleast it keeps it interesting

By the by I have put the burden of the argument on you, relative to our correspondence, about opposites. What say you?

Originally Posted by Dyshade

I say that either way yay or nay it is impossible to prove or disprove. We could discuss it all month.

It comes down to personal preferance and perception

Originally Posted by Dyshade

People like DM love to enter an argument and place burden when they seemingly have not even read the thread. Sic proposed the theory that opposition is a flawed theory and as such I asked him to invalidate opposition utilizing the words of those that have gone before if he so wishes and I will play happy devils advocate again so we have some enthralling discussion

Originally Posted by Dark Messiah

You really, truly seem to love being completely wrong about things. Saying a theory is wrong is not the same as proposing a new theory of the Universe, for the simple reason that it's generally not falsifiable. Sic can, and has, listed things that have no opposites, but as you will to half-assed evasions on how we simply don't know if those things have an opposite yet, nothing can be conclusively proven. As the being advocating a semi-falsifiable position, the burden of proof is on you to actually honest to God demonstrate how and why things are based upon opposition, rather than casually dismissing any possibility of illogic in your statement with, "One thing that you folks seem to misunderstand quite frequently is that everything that is a whole is only that way because of its opposing parts all the way down to molecules and atoms". You're using deductive logic to make an assumption that everything is based around opposites, and using that assumption to try and prove itself.

Originally Posted by Dyshade

Or looking upon the whole Dyshade I am made up of opposites. One thing that you folks seem to misunderstand quite frequently is that everything that is a whole is only that way because of its opposing parts all the way down to molecules and atoms

Originally Posted by theburningbush

simply differnet then it is now, it wont cease to be, it will have the same purpose it had prior to man, the creation of new and unique patterns of assembled atoms.

any argument relative to proveing that existince as we know it "exists" is pointless. Proveing it or not proveing, even if it were possible, does not change anything.

social perception of reality matters and indivduals who can impact that perception. Individual perception doesnt matter, save to the individual, and perhaps the individuals immediate hemisphere.

Originally Posted by Jordyn

didn't i already say all of that when you asked me to elaborate on reality?

the only reason anything is special is because humanity has the power to make it special.

Originally Posted by Dyshade

By the way DM Science works off of theory..... which really boils down to hunches and assumptions which either pan out and become accepted fact or die in an ignoble flame of patheticness

Originally Posted by theburningbush

I dont think so.

Things are special irregardless of humanity, humanity does however, have its own framework for reality which is relative only to humanity.

Originally Posted by you

social perception of reality matters and indivduals who can impact that perception. Individual perception doesnt matter, save to the individual, and perhaps the individuals immediate hemisphere.

Originally Posted by me

it's subjective to that persons view of their life and how they relate it to the world...look at the various psychological breakdowns...a man believes he's jesus, in his reality he is jesus, but those living in practical reality will generally not believe he's jesus...why?

Originally Posted by Dark Messiah

Modern civilization is founded in the power of inductive logic. Dedutive logic might be fine for philosophy, but it fails if you try to apply it as a proof of something.

Originally Posted by Jordyn

hmmmm....





in reply to your current quote...

what makes something special, does something without consciousness have an ability to comprehend reality or a sense of speciality, who defines these terms, does an animal know it's special, a cloud, a tree, any non sentient organism, despite a capability for intelligence comprehend these terms?

if there's no humanity, how would anything non human know what special is; did special exist before humanity gave it a sound and then meaning for the sound, resulting in a word...does the earth have the capability to view itself as special, is the planet earth a conscious intelligence with a sense of self?

that may work for an animist, shaman or any other sort of earth power person...but for them, a rock is more than just a rock, trees speak, clouds bear messages from gods, the earth is more than just a planet capable of supporting life, and with various magics, they do alter personal reality and believe they can alter external reality, using the various forces of the natural world...but most call that line of belief silly, even if it works for the believers...