No the ant has more of a right to life than YOU, not the rest of us. Because youre a drain on the economy. Leech.

Death is a part of life. Deal with it. As an intelligent creature we shouldnt worry ourselves with the mundane details. If we were to all be environmentalnuts like Lily apparently then we would all sit in the same padded room eating plants only burying our shit in compost heaps. Fuck that. Nature is not a kind thing, its rather cruel, and built in its likeness we were given the right to do with it as we please. An ant is just a biproduct of evolution, there for us to do with as we want.

and humans dont spread disease? and nature has it's own ways of dealing with that. spiders eat bugs that spread disease.

oh you're right, the fact that i am willing to spare a defenseless ant means that i have not yet dealed with the fact that death is inevitable! i am not saying that if you accidently step on an ant or something you should stand still for the rest of your life, i am saying that if you are in a situation where you have an urge to kill the poor thing or you can avoid it then you should avoid it. we are aware and we have the ability not to do these things and we should make use of it, or you could just help in supporting human kind's reputation as an overly proud and destructive species.

you're wrong, as an intelligent species (of course that's an understatement) we should worry about the small details of life. mankind has developed the abilities to reason, inquire, and deduce. so we should use those privilages to help those who dont have these abilities. it's like the rich giving to the poor.
and i dont think you can call lily a nut for giving a damn. just think, what if we all cared as she (i assume she) does? i figure the world would be in a pretty good place dont you?
personally i am a vegetarian and ironically i was part of a research team for the reuse of human waste in Eleuthera, Bahamas.
face it, environmentalists are needed.

Which is why I rarely kill spiders. They fulfill a useful function to us. Killing bugs. Logically, if that makes them useful, then killing bugs is good, and we shouldn't feel bad about it. Conversely, if killing bugs is wrong, spiders are murderers by nature and we should kill them. Your half-assed philosophies to life won't work because Trigun was a stupid and fundamentally flawed show.

This is a poor analogy. It assumes that something like material wealth or signifiers of debt can be adequately compared to priceless abstracts like liberty or love or self-destiny. That aside, the position of two parties with different amounts of a material reaching a balance closer towards an average is fundamentally different from a position of one party using an inherent advantage, say, sentience, to the benefit of a party entirely without. You might have a case with animals that show some signs of self-awareness such as dogs or dolphins, but you're not going to advance the cause of ants any.

[quote]and i dont think you can call lily a nut for giving a damn. just think, what if we all cared as she (i assume she) does? i figure the world would be in a pretty good place dont you?[/quote

No. Good intentions aren't enough to make the World run. Not even close. You need to know what the fuck you're talking about and doing.

You're probably destroyed the health of dozens of human beings, then. I assume you're using it as a fertilizer or some such, but human feces is a fucking poison. It's an inch removed from nuclear waste. There's a reason people go to third world countries to test out these sort of ideas.

People who care about the enviroment are needed, and ideally, should be the average. Fishermen and lumber companies, for instance, care a great deal about the enviroment because their livelihoods and legacies rest on there being a healthy supply of fish/large trees. Self-identified enviromentalists tend to be distinctly less useful.

people spread far more diseases than any ant does. i say, kill people.

What about mosquitos?

we have mosquito repellant. and those things bother us, as opposed to an ant.

what...?



hmm well they sure do help a bit... think about it..if no one had good intentions then where would we be? for the record i said nothing of good intentions, in fact i said "cared". to actually care about something means much more than good intentions. you make sacrafices for something you care about. and you need to learn how to fucking read.



your right human waste (along with all feces) can be harmful, but through the right process it can be a very useful resource. but to say "It's an inch removed from nuclear waste." somebody should fucking slap you for saying that. feces (all types) are biodegradable, and the bacteria and fungus in it break it down further. but NUCLEAR waste is not biodegradable. you know, third world countries aren't the only places that use human waste as fertilizers. china has been doing it for hundreds of years and they are damn near the U.S.'s equal. oh yes and the U.S. has been doing it for about 30 years now... you would probably shit yourself if you knew how much human waste fertilizers are being used today for our agriculture. You need to know what the fuck you are talking about and doing.


i personally have nothing against fishermen and lumber companies, in fact with out them our economy would be shot. but there are ways to control them...such as aquaculture programs for the frishermen. and it's the self-identified environmentalists that are most needed. they are the ones that stand out the most, sure they may piss some people off (Dark Messiah), but they are the ones who make the biggest impact. they are the ones who reach out to others and teach alternate, sustainable lifestyles.

http://islandschool.org/research.html
http://islandschool.org

in fact i got the rare privilage to attend this school... it was founded by self-identified environmentalists.
this school is able to function properly by using renuable resources and self-sustaining systems. so we got our electricity by using solar panels, collected rain water in cisterns, farmed and grew our own food, and it has been around since 1998.
the research link shows the research the school does to make the environment better. we presented our research to top bahamian government personel, top scientists/ecologists, and a dozen college/university professors. not only that but our research has been published in many scientific journals such as :The Carribean Journal of Science. so yes Dark Messiah i do know what the fuck im talking about.

Your analogy was irrelevant to the argument.

My reading comprehension is already pretty well above average, but thanks for your concern. For instance, in this case good intentions are more all-encompassing than simply caring; caring is implied in good intentions, as well as a desire to affect positive long-term change, i.e., Hitler had good intentions about Germany's long term stability and strength.

Human feces is particularly toxic and lends itself to the cultivation of diseases, unsurprisingly, designed to target human beings, unlike the diseases that target ducks or cows or chickens or emus that we don't necessarily care about. That aside from the nature of modern human diets that lends itself to breeding new and pestilent viruses. It's seeing use, after being heavily treated, in the US primarily because of cities desperate for a little extra surplus and a way to get rid of this shit. It's also heavily opposed wherever it's been tried within the US, which is only in a select few counties and cities.

In what, praytell, is China the USA's equal? Not in population, where they surpass us. Not economically, where we surpass them by perhaps 40% again their GDP with less than a quarter the same population. Certainly not technologically, in human rights or in culture. I can only assume, then, that you mean in terms of landmass. I'm going to rule this irrelevant.

In everything that I've seen, they're the ones most likely to spend much time preaching, alternately jading the public with hyped up and inflated numbers and 'facts' relating to the eminent doom of the World, and turning people off with self-righteous condemnation. They're the ones least likely to produce a significant and lasting change.

A tourist-based economy reacting to protect the aesthetics of it's enviroment in order to maintain that economy. Precisely my point. Self-preservation breeds a concern for the enviroment much better than Apocryphal guilt trips and overly idealistic, vaguely socialist political movements.


Knowing a problem is not the same as knowing the answer.

okay i still dont think you are getting the point i am trying to make. ALL FECES IS TOXIC AND HARMFUL TO LIVING, BLOODED ORGANISMS , OR ELSE IT WOULDNT BE A WASTE. so of course it will contain possible diseases, that is why we shit...to get the harmful substances out of our body. yet through the right steps it can be useful. (i feel like im repeating myself). if you allow nature to take it's course (in a controlled manner), funguses, bacteria, and enzymes will break the waste down enough to be used for agriculture at EPA standards. of course it will be opposed, because people like you refuse to open their eyes and see the bigger picture other than human shit....a cheap, bio friendly method to create energy (the Methane gas as a result of the waste breaking down), and a reliable fertilizer. you are right though, cities do use human waste to help their economy and get rid of there waste....is there something wrong with that? that is why it is primarily found in third world countries.

there you go putting words in my mouth again. i said china was near our equal...if they were truly our equal then we have some problems. land mass has nothing to do with how well a country is capable of being (minus Russia). true our economy is much better than theirs...right now. every year their economy gets better at a higher rate than our own. and when they finally do catch up to us then we will have a problem...their economy will be strong and with their population higher they will have more people to lose than us...not to mention their 30-1 military personal ratio.

oh yeah and we did find a solution to the problem...it's just up to the Bahamian government if they listen.

ha

Hehe, one of the signs to look for in a mentally unstable person is if they were intentionally cruel to animals as a child. hehe, crazy. Here? no one's crazy. riight. haha. so what if that probably means things like mammals or reptiles, and jsut more complex life forms in general. pshaw. hehe, crazy. CRAZY!

That's so not fuckin' true...

It's true.