When did we start getting emotional? What came first communication or emotion? Before there was speach we obviously had some basic emotions so how did we communicate them? Since speech was developed have our emotions also become more refined?

Being a woman I find a need to release pent-up emotions, it's almost instinctual. Why do women feel a need to communicate more then men? Who made the first words? Where women the first to form sounds with meaning?

I'd really enjoy some ideas thoughts or facts?

thats very simple... communication can first... communication is any action or inaction that conveys information from one source to another... emotion requires something simlar to a limbic system... which not all things have...

I cant answer most of that without the aid of a time machine.
I suppose our emotions have become more refined but if anything they`re much messier due to their complexity. The larger and more complex the society becomes the more new emotions or subsections of old emotions present themselves to be cataloged.
Men tend to view communication as the transfer of information first and a socal activity second. There isnt a need to tell people your worries unless its a pressing matter or there is the chance that those you talk to will say or do anything to help you. Just talking about emotions for the sake of emotions themselves it isnt worth the time.

father... ill never forgive you for what you did to mother... and Rei... and me...

heheh , you snag you.

I suppose what I was trying to understand is the difference in our inherent need to communicate. For men it would be 'hand gestures rule', stemming from the fact that 'on the hunt' silence was necessary. With women the motivation was purely emotive, communicating intricate tasks, sounds of love, anger. Therefore my conclusion would be that women would have had the need to create the words. Except German...all those grunts and hocking, must be male.

Your conclusion is straight out of a 5 dollar wicca book then. A to E, no real thinking one way or the other is needed anymore......knew it was a bad idea to post in this section again. *wanders off*

i think the reason that women are more vocal than men is not that we're less emotionally-challenged, its that we simply communicate differently. for example, guys usually shrug their shoulder when asked about their feelings on a subject matter that a woman is asking them about. its not that they don't care, they do but tend to display more physical communcation than verbal.

hey.... thats socialization, not natural state...

...and then again some of the most beautifully communicated emotion in history has been spoken by men.

So what do you believe 'natural state' to be Errant?


REDMEAT"Your conclusion is straight out of a 5 dollar wicca book then. A to E, no real thinking one way or the other is needed anymore......knew it was a bad idea to post in this section again. *wanders off*"

Get over yourself Red. Do you have to bring religion into everything? Not only do you posses little humour you also can't seem to use that intelligent mind of yours to make any summations without having to quote someone elses words or views. Can you never think freely without the restraints of what you've read? My hypothetical was made of the little information I had on the topic and was to seek others information and views, you contributed nothing and therefore we agree on something, it was a bad idea for you to post.

hey hey... keep it nice you two...

Jeez, he's always so ugh ...er....the only word that comes to mind is boarish. I don't know why he ever responds to anything I have to say at all. Everything he's ever written to me has been negative or insulting. He seems such a cynic, in the unattractive true sense of the word.

Okay I'm over my rant now.

I bring religion into it because Wicca and its ilk has strong links to feminism. I wont say anything on your poor gender based comedy.
Your conclusion (after 2 posts) has some flaws like assuming that those that use something like language often must be the originators of such a proccess. I doubt that words used for complex communication would even have had their origins in the era of the hunter-gather human tribes and are more likely born from the later, civilised cultures.
I`ll admit I`m overly touchy when it comes to historical revisionism in favour of one viewpoint or another. Even moreso when it comes to ancient history like the Goddess mythos but I wont get into that.

Boarish and cynical are suitable. Brutish and arrogant would also be good choices.

Of course my conclusions had flaws. As I stated they were to prompt input. My observations on the communicative ability/necessity of males and females was in no way intended to slight the male gender, perhaps you are a little over-sensitive to the 'feminist' thing. I based it totally on necessity being the mother of invention (sorry about the gender reference of the quote). Even the hunter/gatherers had emotions. Love, hate, frustration would have to prompt some audible reaction. Cave paintings would give some credibility to my assumption that the need for communication was an issue.

Cynicism clouds logical judgement. I thought you would be a stickler for logic?

I find that hypothesis work better for input, conclusions work better for conflicts.:/
That mother of invention sure, but the invention`s origins, creator and what made it needed to begin with is in question and cant be answered by just examining past gender roles or attributes.

A cynic can be as logical or illogical as any other person, depends how they use their views. Nah... I`m not always keen on it.

My hypothesising didn't seem to be sparking much response...I seemed to have motivated a response from you in my conclusions, albeit not necessarily the response I'd envisioned.

To find a motivation for need one would have to examine the attributes of gender types as there where more gender specific needs at that time. I am not intending to portray this as the only contributing factor.

I can understand without proof this thread may seem nonsensical, but I find it quite thought provoking. I'm a brainstormer, what can I say. Thow anthing into the pot and see how it boils, I say.