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Coinidence?? - 01-12-07

I've been wondering all my life.
Why do the things go the way they do?
Everytime something bad happens to me it can lead to something good.
When i was depressed and all fucked i could talk to a girl and that same girl now is my girlfriend.
When I broke my bike i find a new and better one.
Is it all coincidence or is it all planned?
Are we all just living by a script?
It confuses me so much.



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Coincidence maybe - 01-12-07

Maybe the only thing scripted is how you enter this world and how you leave it. And maybe by how you leave it theres more meaning, like what you leave here that lasts.


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01-12-07

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Coincidence...maybe. But it's interesting to think of this, for example everyone has heard the question " if a tree falls in the woods and there's no one around to hear it, does it still make a sound?" Well what if you apply that same concept( the concept that the human awareness alters it's surroundings merely by being, and then pile on top of it the millions of variable anomolies like individual memories, personalities etc. ) to the probablility of pure coincidence in human interactions and lives? It would be such a jumbled mess that no one would be able to figure it out without devoting lifetimes to the problem. When I think of coincidence that's what comes to mind, and I think that maybe there is a lot of coincidence in there, but I'm sure that that big jumbled mess of an equation or whatever it is contains some probable answers, or destinies. At least I would hope so anyway.


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01-12-07

Events can't be completely coincidental, or none of the laws of the universe or "laws" of social interaction could be relied upon.

I've put some thought into this question b/c, as a Christian, I wonder to what extent God is really involved in human lives. My personal theory is that people are allowed to freely affect other people and the world, which works according to physical laws set in motion ages ago. I think there are right ways and wrong ways to affect things though, and if we meditate on good principles, we will increasingly act in better ways, which will bring rewards, as long as other people don't choose to prevent those rewards with harmful acts.
  
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01-13-07

I like your response, but I thought about it and I thought I'd ask your opinion as a christian on the topic of principles. I personally think that in human interaction there is a balance like as can be seen in everything in nature down to the most fundamental forces ( atoms etc.) . If there is a sense of balance, then wouldn't there HAVE top be people who's moral principles were evil or corrupt? I mean in this vein of thinking then wouldn't there be people who were meant to be fundamentally good, and others to be fundamentally evil? What do you think about that?


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01-13-07

Inky I Ask You Why Only to look at the good principales?
I mean if god excists..why did he fuck up making a great planet by putting ignorant people on em?
He gave mankind a gift of choice and they always seem to make the wrong ones.
So i think God does'nt have anything to do with the things happening around me.
People make theyre own mistakes and have to face the concequensis, (sorry my english on high grammar is pretty bad..)
So nothing is up to coincidence i think that everything can be arranged in live as long as you live up to your idea's and learn from mistakes.



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I mean if god excists..why did he fuck up making a great planet by putting ignorant people on em?
the thing is dark, i don't think we've always been the way that we are now. yes - we've always used the planet for anything we want and we've never really given anything of exceptional value back, but look at the days of the ancients. look at the times when there was honor and pride and the longing for something greater. it was all there but we chose to move on. technology took over and here we are now.

i think god gave us the choice to see what we we'll make with it. to give us some sort of responsibility. but that's another topic alltogether.


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I like your response, but I thought about it and I thought I'd ask your opinion as a christian on the topic of principles. I personally think that in human interaction there is a balance like as can be seen in everything in nature down to the most fundamental forces ( atoms etc.) . If there is a sense of balance, then wouldn't there HAVE top be people who's moral principles were evil or corrupt? I mean in this vein of thinking then wouldn't there be people who were meant to be fundamentally good, and others to be fundamentally evil? What do you think about that?
If your worldview is based on everything being balanced, then, no, there would not have to be anyone completely corrupt or completely pure- everyone could be somewhere in between, and Whoever was in charge of keeping everything balanced could just make sure the total Bad equaled the total Good. And there would not necessarily have to be Anyone equalizing Good & Bad- Nature might just shake itself out that way, and no one would be meant to be one way or the other.

Perhaps electrically, as with the atoms you mentioned, the physical world might be balanced; I don't think the moral field would have to be the same way though- or why would we desire beneficial motives and actions over harmful ones instead of expecting some of both and just dealing with it?
  
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Inky I Ask You Why Only to look at the good principales?
I mean if god excists..why did he fuck up making a great planet by putting ignorant people on em?
He gave mankind a gift of choice and they always seem to make the wrong ones.
So i think God does'nt have anything to do with the things happening around me.
People make theyre own mistakes and have to face the concequensis, (sorry my english on high grammar is pretty bad..)
So nothing is up to coincidence i think that everything can be arranged in live as long as you live up to your idea's and learn from mistakes.
I think ignorance is people's fault, not their Maker's, supposing Creationism for the moment. As you said, people make the stupid choices and have to deal with them.

I have a lot of trouble with the idea of God actually directly influencing events too- cuz how could we have free will that way, and why would bad stuff happen to some good people and not to others? I agree with you that it's all about peole interacting with each other and the environment, but I also think that, just like hanging around with someone transfers some of that person's characteristics to you, thinking about a perfectly wise & good Being improves my ability to make positive choices concerning my actions.
  
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What about the people who, when something bad happens to them, die a painful and horrible death?

Nothing good comes to them from that.
  
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01-14-07

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I've been wondering all my life.
Why do the things go the way they do?
Everytime something bad happens to me it can lead to something good.
When i was depressed and all fucked i could talk to a girl and that same girl now is my girlfriend.
When I broke my bike i find a new and better one.
Is it all coincidence or is it all planned?
Are we all just living by a script?
It confuses me so much.
but the real question to ask here is. why do you have to wonder about the good things that appear to you the way that they do? in this case you should feel lucky, glad, and excitted instead..just be glad those are not bad things... maybe it's a form of "oh my god and WOW! i can't believe this is all actually happening to me. " i guess that is where all of this would come down to. as well as you being the way that you are about it. on having to wonder.. i don't think of it to be called as a coincidence or living by a script. it's just luck, karma, and the choices that you make...

but man feel blessed though and not ponder on it so much...when you have these kind of things in your life. just accept it and do not wonder about them.. they just appear as they are and that is only that. life is unexplainable...

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badness doesn't last forever. thank your beautiful stars on that one. that is another thing to be glad about. though i didn't HAVE to add this one in here. i don't know why i did. but anyway it's here and that is the end of it.
  
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What about the people who, when something bad happens to them, die a painful and horrible death?

Nothing good comes to them from that.
That would be the result of another's harmful act- or if an accident, their own thoughtlessness.
  
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well put...but seriously true.
  
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01-23-07

Is there anything on Earth nearly as depressing as the idea that man is basically good, all things are according to God's plan, and God can do no wrong? How cynical is it to think that this is what the world looks like when things are going well?


Self-causation is a logical necessity of existence. Free will hinges upon it. Given that any theory attempting to explain human behavior outside of free will is, usually admittedly, untestabled, and therefore irrelevant and victim to Occam's razor, I see nothing wrong with the conclusion: things are this way because we have made them so.


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Is there anything on Earth nearly as depressing as the idea that man is basically good, all things are according to God's plan, and God can do no wrong? How cynical is it to think that this is what the world looks like when things are going well?


Self-causation is a logical necessity of existence. Free will hinges upon it. Given that any theory attempting to explain human behavior outside of free will is, usually admittedly, untestabled, and therefore irrelevant and victim to Occam's razor, I see nothing wrong with the conclusion: things are this way because we have made them so.
*standing ovation* I agree there is no such thing as coincidence.


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