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derdy · 11-03-05

all moved in, did you miss me?

*holds back flaming doom fists on frog*

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Originally Posted by thefr0g

If you're just gonna pull the ol' Winston Zeddmore and claim you've seen shit that will turn me white, without backing up your claims... your argument really holds no water.

yeah, did you read my post? the one this is in response to?

I think you think you did, but you did not.

I said, since I wasnt going into detail it wasnt reasonable of me to call on my past for the sake of this argument. So what are you doing here?

exactly?

I even, in a very civilized manner extended an invitation to discuss these things in private with you...but alas my generosity was greeted by an ego trying to save face.

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But that being the case, I still know that you can't build a society by trusting the common man to do the right thing. It will never happen.

so who do you trust? the government? what is the government made of?
who put that government there? in a capitalist society who in the end has the final say if they can pull their heads out of their asses long enough to assert themselves? who is responsible for your safety, for your well being in the end? and frankly, as far as Im concerned if the "common man" (man that is an offensive term) cant do for themselves, cant be responsible for themselves, take charge of their life and live in a constructive manner while maintaining their individual sovereignty, them the human gets what it deserves. It is the only acceptable way. You can have your authoritarian views, but if im living well and not hurting others, keep your oppressive bullshit off of me and others like me eh? I can certainly handle myself I assure you.

derdy · 11-04-05

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Originally Posted by Billy the Kidd

Thats bullshit and I will tell you why. ..You gotta be living a pretty comfortable and sweet life to even be into philosophy..

No, your reply is bullshit, and I'll tell you why. Philosophy wasnt born with the corpulent western white man. Philosophy has been around since the human animal could ponder rocks rolling down hills, that fire hurts and sex is good.

I find you and the frogs and those on the same lines of thinking in this thread to have a very arrogant stance. I mean that you could even begin to be so bold to presume you know what is best for everyone is rather special. That you feel people who work the land and seldom have idle hands are beneath you intellectually and/ or dont even have the capacity to observe its environment, ponder it and philosophize about it takes a lot (and this isnt an insult, look up the dictionary term before you start crying) of ignorance, intolerance and lack of life experience.

all the philosophy books Ive ever read were tediously unimprssive and grossly unenlightening. anything good said in them was so obvious, and most everything else was clearly nonsense spewed out by someone who hadnt seen their ideas applied in real life situations.

If you arent looking at it, does the tree exist? yes Nietzsche you arrogant twat, and maybe if I wish real hard it will fall on you.

thefr0g · 11-04-05

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Originally Posted by derdy

I said, since I wasnt going into detail it wasnt reasonable of me to call on my past for the sake of this argument. So what are you doing here?

I'm saying that, if you aren't going into detail... there's no point in bringing it up.

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Originally Posted by derdy

I even, in a very civilized manner extended an invitation to discuss these things in private with you...but alas my generosity was greeted by an ego trying to save face.

I do have an ego, but I don't think anything in my last post directed at you was particularly ego-driven. I acquiesced that you'd probably seen more than me, and that I've not led a hard life... not a lot of ego there.

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Originally Posted by derdy

so who do you trust? the government? what is the government made of?
who put that government there? in a capitalist society who in the end has the final say if they can pull their heads out of their asses long enough to assert themselves? who is responsible for your safety, for your well being in the end? and frankly, as far as Im concerned if the "common man" (man that is an offensive term) cant do for themselves, cant be responsible for themselves, take charge of their life and live in a constructive manner while maintaining their individual sovereignty, them the human gets what it deserves. It is the only acceptable way. You can have your authoritarian views, but if im living well and not hurting others, keep your oppressive bullshit off of me and others like me eh? I can certainly handle myself I assure you.

If the common man can't take care of themselves, then they get what they deserve? I guess this is what we deserve then. I'm sorry, cupcake, but its not reasonable to make seperate sets of laws for seperate sets of people. I realize that you live well and don't hurt others. Neither do I. Perhaps, if the world was made up of people like you and I, there would be relative peace (minus the odd "philosophical" debate). But what about Billy Joe cooking meth in his trailer, that he plans on sending to school tomorrow with his 10 year old daughter, so that she can bring him home a little extra cash? What laws apply to him? What about Mr Rich corporate Suit who lives a life of generosity in piety, yet still skims a little off the top of his company, robbing his shareholders of millions, and basically taking food out of their children's mouths. Does he get OUR good-citizen laws? Billy-Joe's laws? Or is there yet a third set for him as well?

Billy the Kidd · 11-04-05

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Originally Posted by derdy

No, your reply is bullshit, and I'll tell you why. Philosophy wasnt born with the corpulent western white man. Philosophy has been around since the human animal could ponder rocks rolling down hills, that fire hurts and sex is good.

I find you and the frogs and those on the same lines of thinking in this thread to have a very arrogant stance. I mean that you could even begin to be so bold to presume you know what is best for everyone is rather special. That you feel people who work the land and seldom have idle hands are beneath you intellectually and/ or dont even have the capacity to observe its environment, ponder it and philosophize about it takes a lot (and this isnt an insult, look up the dictionary term before you start crying) of ignorance, intolerance and lack of life experience.

all the philosophy books Ive ever read were tediously unimprssive and grossly unenlightening. anything good said in them was so obvious, and most everything else was clearly nonsense spewed out by someone who hadnt seen their ideas applied in real life situations.

If you arent looking at it, does the tree exist? yes Nietzsche you arrogant twat, and maybe if I wish real hard it will fall on you.

From your response I am guessing you never had to work too hard, or had to fend for yourself. INtellectually farmwork is beneath me, most archaic 18th century livlihood crap is.

But please escape to the woods and ponder your silly theories. I prefer reality.

by the way sex is good and fire hurts isnt philosophical. And yes the evil white males did invent what we call philosophy, it began with the Greeks. Why? Because they were advanced enough to farm and build cities and schools. The rest of the world sans maybe the Chinese who were also farming and building cities and schools were busy eeking out a miserable little life trying to survive. THOSE conditions are not conducive to building higher learning of the cosmos and other gay waste of time crap.

Fr0g and I just think realistically, probably has something to do with the fact that we are males and we arent emasculated like most male philosophy majors tend to be.

Dark Messiah · 11-04-05

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Originally Posted by derdy

so who do you trust?

Nobody. Hence the expression, "The price of liberty is eternal vigilance."

People will fuck you over if they're allowed, whether on their own or in the form of a bureaucracy. Each person has to look out for themselves, yes, and for each other. Your noble savage bullshit has no application in real life, because it winds up with the jackasses with the most muscles and guns in charge, instead of just the jackasses with the most money. It's strictly worse because it has no allowance for community building that allows us to foster medicine, education, and communication, bettering everyone's lives, but it's significantly less of a meritocracy than the purest form of capitalism, which however fucked up, still gives everyone a shot at bettering their lot.

We need centralized government, we need cops, we need order. We also need watchdogs on the cops and on the government. There is no happily ever after; keeping people free and relatively happy and secure requires constant work and effort. I, too, once found the idea of pure anarchy, of a world devoid of overarching government, to be compelling, but then I turned 16 and realized I didn't want to live in the woods without electricity, medicine, or toilet paper and getting eaten by bears.

I don't consider farmwork beneath me. I have no expertise in it, but I respect those who do. Those who work at it using modern technology, instead of a plow pulled by a mule, the former being a hundred times more efficent than the latter.

thefr0g · 11-04-05

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Originally Posted by Billy the Kidd

Fr0g and I just think realistically, probably has something to do with the fact that we are males and we arent emasculated like most male philosophy majors tend to be.

Hahahaha... sudden strange urge to slam a high-five with Billy.

derdy · 11-05-05

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Originally Posted by thefr0g

I'm saying that, if you aren't going into detail... there's no point in bringing it up.

Im not sure if youre being intentionally daft or not, so Ill just move on.

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I'm sorry, cupcake, but its not reasonable to make seperate sets of laws for seperate sets of people.

I've got your fucking cupcake.

and where did I say anything about seperate laws for different people? where did I even come close? I believe I am advocating few laws that apply evenly mainly consisting of the sticking point of "if you dont hurt other people, it should be none of the government's business what you do."

um...it really is that simply. and by "hurting other people, I dont mean hurting their feelings or sense of taste, religion or intangible subjective mindset.

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But what about Billy Joe cooking meth in his trailer, that he plans on sending to school tomorrow with his 10 year old daughter, so that she can bring him home a little extra cash?

is that the best example of the shit society has to offer?
let me start young...what about the little boy at the first orphanage I was in who was deaf and mute after suffering the shock of his mother cutting off his genitals because she caught his father having sex with another woman in their bed, who used to come and hump on you if you were in the nursery helping out with the infants and toddlers or even as a resident. what about that? should he have separate laws? no. if he is a piece of shit who victimizes because he suffered at the hands of a piece of shit who victimized he deserves harsh punishment. I knew that little boy. I knew his face, his name and witnessed his behaviors..it isnt a story I heard or a fucking once a week drive along experience I had. I expect him to be a constructive person and if he cant manage it then fuck him, he gets what he deserves. I dont like the war on drugs, I dont like dui laws, I dont like punishment for victimless crimes or the lack of creativity or constructive nature for minor crimes. I dont like that individual sovereignty id being diminished by whiny weak spineless assholes who think the government should be taking care of them and any discomfort they may experience directly related to some lacking in the government doing it's job. I dont like that it isnt ok to beat the shit out of the guy who raped your child, I dont like that due to emotional topics you can be punished before court and have to prove yourself innocent in court when you get there in this country, I dont like that you can serve decades for selling acid but the father of my best friend in the girl's home who used to tie her down to a tables, rape and torture and allow his neighbor to join in couldnt be prosecuted successfully even though he had carved his initials in her labia...I do like that on a lovely summer night her and I got our revenge on him...there were no 'objections" or "recesses" or "legal loopholes" dumb assed lawyers in shitty suits with bad combovers..it was fucking beautiful. should have heard her laugh.

Like a thousand demons.

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What about Mr Rich corporate Suit who lives a life of generosity in piety, yet still skims a little off the top of his company, robbing his shareholders of millions, and basically taking food out of their children's mouths.

fucking yawn.

me and jack d fart in your general direction.

derdy · 11-05-05

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Originally Posted by Billy the Kidd

From your response I am guessing you never had to work too hard, or had to fend for yourself. INtellectually farmwork is beneath me, most archaic 18th century livlihood crap is.

I dont guess I get to tell you what I guess about you before white knuckled mods send me "warnings".

So I wont say That youre probably a frustrated powerless "little' man who only ever feels powerful when on the internet because youre a spineless, sorry, insignificant little piece of maggot turd, I wont say that because it would be wrong and against teh rulez.

ahem.

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by the way sex is good and fire hurts isnt philosophical. And yes the evil white males did invent what we call philosophy, it began with the Greeks. Why? Because they were advanced enough to farm and build cities and schools. The rest of the world sans maybe the Chinese who were also farming and building cities and schools were busy eeking out a miserable little life trying to survive. THOSE conditions are not conducive to building higher learning of the cosmos and other gay waste of time crap.

did you read that out of a book sug? This quote is so telling of a pitiful intellectually lazy limited and arrogant view that anyone flaming you couldnt have done a better job of exposing you. well done, congratulations.

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Fr0g and I just think realistically, probably has something to do with the fact that we are males and we arent emasculated like most male philosophy majors tend to be.

Dont break your arm patting yourself on the back, frankly youre tedious and nothing you have said a testiment to realists or penitrative thought abilities. perhaps you should stop reading other people's thoughts long enough to have some of your own.

Dark Messiah · 11-05-05

Note that after your attempts at claiming all human beings are basically good and that the Amish are good folk, the attempts at looking tough and jaded don't really work. They just make you look like you're taking this entire thing far too personally and lettting yourself get overly affected by what someone else is saying over the internet.

derdy · 11-06-05

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Originally Posted by Dark Messiah

Note that after your attempts at claiming all human beings are basically good and that the Amish are good folk, the attempts at looking tough and jaded don't really work. They just make you look like you're taking this entire thing far too personally and lettting yourself get overly affected by what someone else is saying over the internet.

frankly, dark messiah (lol a bit dramatic eh?) you dont have the ability to understand what Im saying surely if this is your summation. And, as Ive stated multiple times I have a love hate relationship with humanity and dont think people who settle for shit, dont expect more or demand more from others or themselves (cause it is the government's job to regulate that?), have folded and submitted under the worst examples of humanity (and it would seem Ive known a bit more of the worst if drug dealers and corporate crooks are the best examples my opposition can come up with...and probably didnt even know, just read about or heard about) is constructive to bringing change where it is needed. but thanks for playing.

Dark Messiah · 11-06-05

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Originally Posted by derdy

frankly, dark messiah (lol a bit dramatic eh?) you dont have the ability to understand what Im saying surely if this is your summation.

Clearly I don't. And just as clearly, this is a failing on your part. Even aside from your horrid abuse of the written language, your argument is self-countering, rambling, and incoherent. If you would construct a logical argument that didn't require hours of interpretation to understand, perhaps you would start swaying people. Maybe. It's hard to say for sure as I still have no fucking clue what you're trying to say.

derdy · 11-06-05

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Originally Posted by Dark Messiah

Clearly I don't. And just as clearly, this is a failing on your part.

pardon me, let me dumb it down to your level.

1. people can be bad.

2. the government is not the answer to every discomfort, not even most...hardly any at all as a matter of fact.

3. the government's role should be very very limited, especially if you think that people are inherently flawed.

4. the government is made up of (OMG!!!) people.

5. be the change you wish to see.

ashes ashes, we all fall down.

Dark Messiah · 11-06-05

Then what do you consider the government's proper role to be? Get into some specifics. Do you have something against the concept of the educational system? Government-funded highways? Laws against stealing, rape, murder? What crimes, as they currently exist, do you think the government ought not have the power to issue punishment for?

Billy the Kidd · 11-06-05

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Originally Posted by derdy

I dont guess I get to tell you what I guess about you before white knuckled mods send me "warnings".

So I wont say That youre probably a frustrated powerless "little' man who only ever feels powerful when on the internet because youre a spineless, sorry, insignificant little piece of maggot turd, I wont say that because it would be wrong and against teh rulez.

ahem.

OH noooooos some pinhead on the internet thinks I am a powerless little man because I am not some head in the clouds limp wristed utopia day dreamer

Let me break it down for you sweet tits, see. I live in this place called reality, where we dont have to do farmwork or struggle for livlihood the way our ancestors did. Why? Because we got this thing called society, and a little thing called technology. Now I know you wish you could go back to a time where opening your mouth as a woman would have allowed me ot beat you with a rod no thicker than a thumb. But for those of us who are realistic, or affected with downs syndrome we realize that that sort of thing is basically just silly bullshit, and the idle dreams of slow minds. Mmkay? Nonw make yourself useful and go post pics of your ass and tits, because thats about all we need or want from you. Nothing worse than a chick who has an opinion, geez.

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Originally Posted by derdy

did you read that out of a book sug? This quote is so telling of a pitiful intellectually lazy limited and arrogant view that anyone flaming you couldnt have done a better job of exposing you. well done, congratulations.

Yes, I am arrogant, yes farming with a plow is beneath me, yes I have a huge cock... oh wait you werent asking about that... oh well still part of a good confession. I am sorry you are such a day dreamer that you think we all need to go back to freezing winters in wood shanties and starvation from the early frost, i really am. Mostly because I wish just YOU could do that so you could die after your little vegie garden failed after you forgot to water it or de-grub it in the 1st hot summer. But then what am I talking about? You could EASILY do that, all you need to do is move to rural Mexico or South America, but you wont... want to know why? Because youre full of shit, youre a hypocrite. Like most dumbshit philosophy spewing day dreamers. You know you couldnt live without your tv, or computer or hagan daaz.

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Originally Posted by derdy

Dont break your arm patting yourself on the back, frankly youre tedious and nothing you have said a testiment to realists or penitrative thought abilities. perhaps you should stop reading other people's thoughts long enough to have some of your own.

Hmm and here I was thought I was using my own thoughts not name dropping or pretending to be some dipshit like any of the other trancendentalists. Tell you what motor mouth, get off the computer stop being a hypocrite move to rual mexico and send us a letter in a few months after all your glorious and down to earth farming fails. I want to see how insane you sound after having to fend for yourself. Like most women I am guessing you will give up within a week of not having a phone or computer to use to bore the living fuck out of everyonr else with your retarded opinion.

Billy the Kidd · 11-06-05

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Originally Posted by Dark Messiah

Then what do you consider the government's proper role to be? Get into some specifics. Do you have something against the concept of the educational system? Government-funded highways? Laws against stealing, rape, murder? What crimes, as they currently exist, do you think the government ought not have the power to issue punishment for?

She already said, the answer if for the government to go away so we can all be farmers and live off the land... like..farmers.

thefr0g · 11-06-05

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Originally Posted by derdy

Im not sure if youre being intentionally daft or not, so Ill just move on.

I've got your fucking cupcake.

and where did I say anything about seperate laws for different people? where did I even come close? I believe I am advocating few laws that apply evenly mainly consisting of the sticking point of "if you dont hurt other people, it should be none of the government's business what you do."

um...it really is that simply. and by "hurting other people, I dont mean hurting their feelings or sense of taste, religion or intangible subjective mindset.

is that the best example of the shit society has to offer?
let me start young...what about the little boy at the first orphanage I was in who was deaf and mute after suffering the shock of his mother cutting off his genitals because she caught his father having sex with another woman in their bed, who used to come and hump on you if you were in the nursery helping out with the infants and toddlers or even as a resident. what about that? should he have separate laws? no. if he is a piece of shit who victimizes because he suffered at the hands of a piece of shit who victimized he deserves harsh punishment. I knew that little boy. I knew his face, his name and witnessed his behaviors..it isnt a story I heard or a fucking once a week drive along experience I had. I expect him to be a constructive person and if he cant manage it then fuck him, he gets what he deserves. I dont like the war on drugs, I dont like dui laws, I dont like punishment for victimless crimes or the lack of creativity or constructive nature for minor crimes. I dont like that individual sovereignty id being diminished by whiny weak spineless assholes who think the government should be taking care of them and any discomfort they may experience directly related to some lacking in the government doing it's job. I dont like that it isnt ok to beat the shit out of the guy who raped your child, I dont like that due to emotional topics you can be punished before court and have to prove yourself innocent in court when you get there in this country, I dont like that you can serve decades for selling acid but the father of my best friend in the girl's home who used to tie her down to a tables, rape and torture and allow his neighbor to join in couldnt be prosecuted successfully even though he had carved his initials in her labia...I do like that on a lovely summer night her and I got our revenge on him...there were no 'objections" or "recesses" or "legal loopholes" dumb assed lawyers in shitty suits with bad combovers..it was fucking beautiful. should have heard her laugh.

Like a thousand demons.

fucking yawn.

me and jack d fart in your general direction.

Ooooh... I understand.

You're batshit fucking insane.

And your orphanage story was simply heartbreaking. You have truly proven this day that you have lead a harder life than me. Good job! Now what, exactly, is your point? Cuz you say "no laws" then graphically describe reasons we need laws.