Transending the realm of ones mind is a quest sought but rarely truly found. The realm of thought is different for every indeviual. For instands the 'thomas theorem' states that if you believe something to be true then it is true in its consequenses. Thus the idea of philosophy is not something that can be share by all that discuss it.

The world is a place that is rottened and diseased but a plauge that must be withstood. we the race of man are the entrusted leaders of the world but we were the ones that entrusted the world to ourselves. We stand at the helm of a cascading reeality and try to justify actions of ourselves and actions of our ancesters. We plan our future and the future of others but dem them not a will of their own. We are an arogent being with a selfcentered nature. We view ourselves as the most importand and most intellegent beings on earth. The world is a odd construct of our inner psyche which is truly bended by our will. Maybe not in the litteral sense of our mine changing things but out mind does. We have the abbility to control our physical vessal and that is controled by our mind. Thuse our mind controls and changes the world around us. I have watched and read many things that told me that thte world is controled by our minds. and i understand when it was writen that is not how it was ment but words are a limite and constran the true understanding of the nature of this realm.

Decypher what you will from my words.
Edward, Angel

Yuor speeling maske it hrad to decifur yuor wrods..

What's wrong with viewing ourselves as the most important beings? If everyone is selfish then everyone is taken care of.

I do apologize for my spelling errors but i was never very good at that.

See the fact that we view ourselves the most important leads to our downfall. The early pagan religoun was founded of the gods of earth and nature. true that it had many selfich qualities it was still centered on a reverence of the earth. the same is true for native american beleif and wiccan and others. They all have a reverence of the earth and nature witch is veiw of ourselves as not the most important. The idea of ourselves being the most important has lead to the creation of the many different religouns and many wars. the holy wars for instance were begun by the church . The church was chreated as a form of control.
Bein selfish is a greet weakness of man. it leads us to our downfall. will answer this better later but as of now i am out of time.

Edward, Angel

Any ideas i voice or my opinion alone and i hope you will not find contemp in my words.

Not all of us view ourselves as "the most important amongst others". Really though, our problems are our own; we need to solve those first, learn to understand ourselves first before we can be of benefit to others in any way. Experince is needed, otherwise we have no way to relate.

Trancending is but a moment, it comes, it enlightens and then it will move on of its own, unclutchable to be held onto by any one. Truth isn't always the same, doesn't stay the same; over time it can change, modify and turn itself on end with new experiences and revelations. We live in our own seperate realities, make of the environment as we do . . . what we really need to do is make a peace and a blance with the world that impinges on us from the outside, we always live in relation to the other, that which is outside. That is, we can't understand happiness fully if we haven't experienced any sadness or tragedy.

you haven't met the new generation of wiccans and witches, have you?

the church was created by followers of Christ that gathered together in small homes to celebrate Him and Gd, it was eventually used by megalomaniacs who saw how it could be utilized to control the ignorant masses and further their own greed. As for the pagan religions, they weren't all fluffy love either...it took several hundred years for the Christian church to move out of persecuted underdogs to become the bastard it's known for today, a lot of those glamorized ancient pagan cultures were no better, impressive or any more noble, they had to respect the land, because if they didn't, it could kill them, they needed it to be kind to them. Wouldn't worshiping, ritual and sacrifice out of concern for you own life be construed as selfish?

i think humanity has many more detrimental downfalls than selfishness, selfish people just think of themselves, not caring to bother other people, but other aspects of human nature require the offering of others to be placated, greed, lust, envy and wrath come to mind.

ok i admit on some points you have my idea distroyed but when i gave thougth to the idea that the greatest fawl of humanity i did. take the seven deadly sins into account. But before you cast aside my idea consider this. Greed (self-centered), lust (self-centered), envy (self-centered), wrath (self-centered), placated (self-centered).
the world is more than words as i mentioned before. change a word and believe the meaning different but in the end it can all be taken back to its base. the idea of selfishness. On this i don't cliam to be better i know that i am as well self-centered. I don't believe that is possible for anyone not to be.

Well, I can't really speak in terms of a any sort of religious context . . . not my field.

But philosophically speaking, when concerning exitentialism or any other philosophy that shares similar ideals (like absurdism or nihlism . . . or even religious existentialism), selfishness could be all that one has and is therefore a justified way to live one's life . . .

What kind of philosophy do you study?

unselfish people can engage in lust just as well as a selfish person, the difference for an unselfish, lusty person is that they are more giving than is healthy for them, is a person selfish for in wrath striking at another person for another...love for that matter in my opinion can be more detrimental than a selfish action against another.

but placating isn't really a sin or anything that deals with human nature or emotion, but satisfying the need of something, as a matter fact it'd be the opposite of selfishness.

Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) -
pla·cate1 /ˈpleɪkeɪt, ˈplækeɪt/ Pronunciation[pley-keyt, plak-eyt]
–verb (used with object), -cat·ed, -cat·ing.
to appease or pacify, esp. by concessions or conciliatory gestures: to placate an outraged citizenry.
[Origin: 1670–80; < L plācātus ptp. of plācāre to quiet, calm, appease, akin to placére to please; see -ate1]

when words become questionable for me, i resort to the dictionary, Webster's made it his life to point out the proper meanings of words, but I've always been a dictionary/vocabulary junkie.

my philosophy Mr. Sixx is the philosophy of my own design...but Kant is most comparable to my ideals, I'm not sure why German philosophy of that time is so appealing for me, who was the poet...Goethe? It seems i came across him reading Kant's idealism versus materialism. *shrugs*

honestly, it's been a long time since I've dabbled in any proper philosophy, anything new in the world?

Selfish actions exist even in unselfish people. An unselfish act can be taken by a person in order to reap the rewards. This in essence reverses the polarity and the action becomes a selfish one. Each and every individual is concerned with survival and survival is a very selfish trait/instinct.
Everything we do as a human revolves around the self. We eat to placate our hunger, we fuck to placate our lust, and we learn to placate our curiousity. A truly unselfish individual would commit suicide so as to leave more for those who need it.

The self exists, there is no reason not to love it

No Jordyn, nothing new

Philosophy is still unkinking the strands of human thought and emotion whilst befuddling the intellect

Word . . . like I said, existential thoughts and absurdist ideals . . . man, you got to love the subjective totality of things.

Philosophy is a dictionary . . .

You're like me Jordyn, often resorting to a dictionary for more clarification of meaning. What's a bitch though is that some dictionaries contradict one another, and when it comes to translation it's even more messy . . . especially when one looks at classic philosophy and Greek definitions. That is what I sort of enjoy about old Western philosophy as well, most German phrasing has been left alone as it is usually in some way tied into Greek phrasing, but impossible to translate.

Have you ever looked into deconstruction? Also, Sartre had an essay or two concerning language; and although I never read him, Wittgenstein was apparently another interesting philosopher concerned with language.

i've found some old philosophy books i had packed for years, maybe it's time for a refresher?

it seems some of the best information in the world has been scribed in greek...and to think the romans get credit for most of what we know.

Yes, indeed. I had a philosophy professor that always found a way to translate the english word back into the greek word . . . always sort of interesting to see how greek phrasing seems to encompass more than a basic intepretation or definition.

Just last night, this buddy I work with is very interested in linguistics and language and philosophy, and I was talking about this little conversation we were having here, and the greek thing came up. He told me that the greek word for "air" can also be used to describe "spirit" or "essence of life." Which is sort of funny when one reads Pre-Socratic thought, and how such earthly-based concepts (air and water) were often considered to be the essential component of life.

aren't they still?