hmm......i was just wondering about the metaphysical some more and wondered how "time" correlates with it............first off, let me assume the premise that the metaphysical is the "truth"......that is, as we like to preach, that the metaphysical/other-life is where all-knowing is possible......now, if this is true, then does that not mean time (not as we know it, but as we might comprehend it) must be inifinite within the metaphysical......for if time is not, and if time and existence go hand in hand (per se) then what happens in the future, where time is NON-EXISTENT, then the metaphyiscal could not have knowledge of this..........

please help me discuss this.......

Can you draw a diagram of that? Metaphysics and time just gets too confusing for me.

yeah.......well, as i said, the metaphysical realm (i.e. soul/mind/dreams) is supposed to where "truth" lies......now time, as us humans know it, seems to be linear, though some object that it might be circular/infinite......now, if the metaphysical does indeed possess the truth, then does this not mean that time must be circular/infinite within it......for if time were linear, then the metaphysical would in a sense "die"......if this were to happen, then what would have happened, had it not died (i.e. the future) is that which the metaphysical would not know.....hence, implying that the metaphysical does not indeed possess the "truth" since it would not know what could have been......

But time isn't a metaphysical concept is it? It's a man-made concept that we try to adapt to any reality. I don't think time exists in the metaphysical and once you start manipulating our concept of time, it becomes something else.

true......but something like time, or at least relatively close to the human comprehension of time, surely must exist.......for, if humans can conceive of time, for surely it exists in some form.....you can count the number of minutes, hours, days, etc., prior the beginning (even your birth)......now, if humans conceive of time, then something relatively close to it must exist........also, if humans can comprehend a sense of time, then surely the metaphysical can as well.......

Metaphysically time is like looking at an ant and assuming you therefore know the nature of all insects. Our concept of time is an infinitesimal aside compared to what really IS. Time to us is two dimensional but metaphysically it would be three dimensional, wouldn't it? Like the universe.

hmmm........i dunno.......

conundrum time. Green tea?

ew, green tea.......how about peach tea instead?

I'm up for anything.

awe, soundz kinky......

maybe just existential.

ooooh, even more exciting!!!!! are you an existentialist?

I flatter myself that I don't fit into any preconceived restrictive conceptualism...erm, so that could be a yes.

oh, kool.......how about dualistic notions?

Does it help you if I point out that the topic of your discussion makes no sense?

The dictionary defenition of metaphysics very much puts it outside the laws of Physics...so what pray does it have to do with time..

You can't just go into a discussion about such things without first of all hammering out a properly defined lucid question (well obviously that's not true cos you just did)

Three stars for effort though..

What?..Drivel..

Physicists use time as a calculation device and nothing more..theoreticists use it to understand their own personal existance within a constantly changing universe but the concept of time itself although useful is a false premise based upon our lack of perceptive elasticity...we cannot stretch our minds to encompass infinity without imagining a circle or a mobius loop etc..

interesting.......nonetheless, we must revert to whether there was a beginning or not......even so, if indeed time only applies to the physical, and the metaphysical exist within the physical.....then surely the metaphysical would, for lack of a better word, comprehend time?

Define metaphysics beyond your tenuose statement of it being 'Truth' which is a whole different arguement..Truth is a human concept and is invalidated by science which seeks only answeres not truth..

Metaphysics does not have comprehension if it is not conscious which it almost certainly isn't even if 'it' was an 'it' and not a concept which it is..

Define.

hmmm......well, i suppose that i am going the conceived notion that our "mind/soul" is metaphysical.....therefore, if the mind is metaphysical, and can comprehend truths, knowledge, etc., then so is the metaphysical.......if it helps, i'm taking an aristotle and aquinas course, and am kinda of stuck on greek thinking of the metaphysical.......