Darkforum.com - Dark Stories, Dark Art, Poetry, Photography, Debates and Discussions
Home Register FAQ
Go Back   Darkforum.com - Dark Stories, Dark Art, Poetry, Photography, Debates and Discussions > Welcome > Friendship
Reload this Page Would You Rather Go Naked?
Friendship Discuss Would You Rather Go Naked? in the Welcome forums; Is it right to kill animals for their fur? I think it is disgusting and unnecessary to use animals for fashion purposes. What logic is there in prohibiting the torture ...

Register and remove some of the ads
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  (#1) Old
Shattered Dream is Offline
Rev up your Harley
Shattered Dream will become famous soon enough
 
Shattered Dream's Avatar
 
Posts: 3,108
Gallery: 0
Comments: 0
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Emerald Isle
Zodiac Sign: Virgo
Rating: 1 Votes / 5.00 Average
Credits: 45,804
   
Would You Rather Go Naked? - 05-31-02

Is it right to kill animals for their fur?

I think it is disgusting and unnecessary to use animals for fashion purposes.

What logic is there in prohibiting the torture of animals for human amusement while allowing the torture of animals for fur?

"The question of wearing or not wearing fur is not ethically equivalent to the question of choosing a dress " - Oleg Cassini. When we choose a dress it harms no one. When we choose fur we are personally responsible for animal suffering.

The thousands of animals killed each year is too high an ethical cost to pay for a coat.

What are your opinions? Are you against wearing real fur or leather?

:greenalie
  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Reddit!
Reply With Quote
  (#2) Old
Lillith
 
Lillith's Avatar
 
Posts: n/a
Gallery:
Comments:
   
05-31-02

Agreed.... but is it any different killing an animal for the sake of enjoying it on your plate?
  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Reddit!
Reply With Quote
  (#3) Old
Oezoem is Offline
Dark Ooze
Oezoem is on a distinguished road
 
Oezoem's Avatar
 
Posts: 8,019
Gallery: 0
Comments: 0
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: In a jar, kept safe on a shelve, gathering dust.
Rating: Not Rated
Credits: 91,303
   
05-31-02

if humanity did not need those animals for those kind of cruelties...those animals would've become extinct a long time ago


To love a Sin.......
  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Reddit!
Reply With Quote
  (#4) Old
Lillith
 
Lillith's Avatar
 
Posts: n/a
Gallery:
Comments:
   
05-31-02

Wait... let me see if I understand you correctly Ooze hun, you're saying unless people mass breed cows to slaughter them they would've otherwise become extinct? The state of endangered species is precisely that because of the poachers and hunters that seek the rhino’s horn or the minx's coat. It's because of humanity's greed and illusion of superiority that has brought so many animal species to extinction. And the manner in which cattle is farmed for the slaughterhouses I would believe extinction being a damn side better fate than the former!
  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Reddit!
Reply With Quote
  (#5) Old
Allesandra is Offline
Self Obsession Honey
Allesandra
 
Allesandra's Avatar
 
Posts: 333
Gallery: 0
Comments: 0
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: ...in a wide open space, it's freezing, you'll never get to Heaven with a smile on your face from me...
Zodiac Sign: Capricorn
Rating: Not Rated
Credits: 12,230
   
06-01-02

Killing animals for meat is for survival. I know, you're going to say people can survive without eating meat... eh... I can't be bothered to argue that.

Killing animals for their fur no doubt used to be for survival purposes, what with caves being cold and all, but it no longer is.

Comparing hunting animals into extinction for their fur with farming animals for their meat is irrelevant, as far as I can see. Different cases.

Sorry.
  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Reddit!
Reply With Quote
  (#6) Old
Oezoem is Offline
Dark Ooze
Oezoem is on a distinguished road
 
Oezoem's Avatar
 
Posts: 8,019
Gallery: 0
Comments: 0
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: In a jar, kept safe on a shelve, gathering dust.
Rating: Not Rated
Credits: 91,303
   
06-01-02

I'm not saying that I'm in favor of the mindless killing. Far from it.

But if there wasn't a demand for meat any more, the mass amounts of cows, pigs, and whatever animal used for meat will be declining drastically. Because of the greed ppl have, and the lack of income generated by the holding of cows, ppl will abandon these activities.
As far as the rhino, or the minx's coat. It's cheaper to do it illegal.
Again..I'm not favoring that industry, but if one would hold rhinos and just saw off their horns (without killing them) the population would increase. Same goes for the minx population, despite the fact that they will have to be slaughtered to get their fur. But what if those animals were given a rich life (as far as possible in captivity) and when they die of old age..their fur can be gained..

And yes, greed does make blind.

Oh, heard about that cloning company that wants to return the tasmanian tiger? Not sure what I should think of that yet.


To love a Sin.......
  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Reddit!
Reply With Quote
  (#7) Old
Valkyrie is Offline
Registered User
Valkyrie
 
Valkyrie's Avatar
 
Posts: 236
Gallery: 0
Comments: 0
Join Date: May 2002
Location: 5 miles from the black stump
Zodiac Sign: Cancer
Rating: Not Rated
Credits: 4,696
   
06-01-02

I have to admit to loving the smell and feel of leather, to using leather products often and even enjoying the feel of real fur, I dont own furs but I do enjoy them. I also eat meat and enjoy it but I enjoy so many live animals too....does any of this make sense, nope, but its a fact. Am I a hypocrit, yep.

I also appreciate and respect fully anothers choice to not do this, much as I do as a smoker in a non smokers space.

The stars and models I see banging on about the fur industry are largely wearers of more than faux leather wouldnt you say? Even if they wear only synthetics or cottons, they destroy too with the waste products and chemicals necessary to make synthetics or the utilisation of space to farm. And we rape the land to farm vegetables etc on the scale the world needs these days so even vegetarians or vegans take some responsibility..what do you wear? What of the space non domestic animals need to live, the sea we desecrate with industrial waste, the over fishing pearl harvesting etc? We take all that with our farms and cities too. They may not be outright causes of horrible deaths by actual human hand but they link to these deaths without doubt as we make extinct whole species by our wants and we drive other animals into tiny spaces where they cannot live so we stick them in zoos. We aid the destruction of animals daily by living in this industrialised over populated world and I love the use of electricty and cars and cities etc etc ad infinitum. These are valid points too, its about personal opinions and how we see ourselves and what we are personally willing to countenance. I guess we are all hypocrits in a way, and we dont live in the world as it once was where animals were once the main means of survival and durable warm clothing...but where do we draw the line, can we? Someone has to start somewhere and many do.
  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Reddit!
Reply With Quote
  (#8) Old
Oezoem is Offline
Dark Ooze
Oezoem is on a distinguished road
 
Oezoem's Avatar
 
Posts: 8,019
Gallery: 0
Comments: 0
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: In a jar, kept safe on a shelve, gathering dust.
Rating: Not Rated
Credits: 91,303
   
06-01-02

oh...and to answer the question of this topic: yes

Point is...one gets arrested when one does..


To love a Sin.......
  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Reddit!
Reply With Quote
  (#9) Old
Duchess Nocturn is Offline
Cunning Linguist
Duchess Nocturn
 
Duchess Nocturn's Avatar
 
Posts: 7,520
Gallery: 0
Comments: 0
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Boston, MA, 02215
Zodiac Sign: Taurus
Rating: Not Rated
Credits: 126,154
   
06-01-02

I, myself, get creeped out by fur coats/other garments with fur. Leather isn't as disturbing because it's not as apparent that it came from a beast.

I don't mind that animals are killed for their parts as long as all parts go to use. Besides, they're going to die, anyway. Why not die usefully?



To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

I fucked Vincent Price
  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Reddit!
Reply With Quote
  (#10) Old
Lazarus is Offline
†Ange de la Mort†
Lazarus is on a distinguished road
 
Lazarus's Avatar
 
Posts: 3,467
Gallery: 0
Comments: 0
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: The Dark Side of the Moon..
Zodiac Sign: Capricorn
Rating: Not Rated
Credits: 74,726
   
06-02-02

I like walking around with nothing but a turban on my head.
  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Reddit!
Reply With Quote
  (#11) Old
Duchess Nocturn is Offline
Cunning Linguist
Duchess Nocturn
 
Duchess Nocturn's Avatar
 
Posts: 7,520
Gallery: 0
Comments: 0
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Boston, MA, 02215
Zodiac Sign: Taurus
Rating: Not Rated
Credits: 126,154
   
06-02-02

I don't like being naked. It creeps me out.



To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

I fucked Vincent Price
  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Reddit!
Reply With Quote
  (#12) Old
Allesandra is Offline
Self Obsession Honey
Allesandra
 
Allesandra's Avatar
 
Posts: 333
Gallery: 0
Comments: 0
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: ...in a wide open space, it's freezing, you'll never get to Heaven with a smile on your face from me...
Zodiac Sign: Capricorn
Rating: Not Rated
Credits: 12,230
   
06-02-02

Hmm. No, I wouldn't like to go naked either. Don't find naked bodies attractive. *screws up her face*
  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Reddit!
Reply With Quote
  (#13) Old
Shattered Dream is Offline
Rev up your Harley
Shattered Dream will become famous soon enough
 
Shattered Dream's Avatar
 
Posts: 3,108
Gallery: 0
Comments: 0
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Emerald Isle
Zodiac Sign: Virgo
Rating: 1 Votes / 5.00 Average
Credits: 45,804
   
06-02-02

Quote:
Originally posted by Lillith_Leda
Wait... let me see if I understand you correctly Ooze hun, you're saying unless people mass breed cows to slaughter them they would've otherwise become extinct? The state of endangered species is precisely that because of the poachers and hunters that seek the rhino’s horn or the minx's coat. It's because of humanity's greed and illusion of superiority that has brought so many animal species to extinction. And the manner in which cattle is farmed for the slaughterhouses I would believe extinction being a damn side better fate than the former!
I agree with Lillith Leda. It is man's greed that has brought so many beautiful animals to extinction. How shameful I feel to be human sometimes.

Fur looks beautiful on animals and repulsive on humans.
  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Reddit!
Reply With Quote
  (#14) Old
Dark_Rain is Offline
Registered User
Dark_Rain
 
Dark_Rain's Avatar
 
Posts: 19,573
Gallery: 0
Comments: 0
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Have you ever looked at someone so deep inside. That you get lost and can see there inner self. That is what i'm doing with you. Right know as i'm typing this.
Zodiac Sign: Libra
Rating: Not Rated
Credits: 216
   
06-02-02

well in some what i agree... that hurting animals for there fur is bad... but i would weather wear clothes then to walk about the neighborhood naked and scaring everyone... as i pass by them!!:p i mean shit its better then wearing figged leaves on your body parts...

but i understand where you are coming from on this...
  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Reddit!
Reply With Quote
  (#15) Old
Dark_Rain is Offline
Registered User
Dark_Rain
 
Dark_Rain's Avatar
 
Posts: 19,573
Gallery: 0
Comments: 0
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Have you ever looked at someone so deep inside. That you get lost and can see there inner self. That is what i'm doing with you. Right know as i'm typing this.
Zodiac Sign: Libra
Rating: Not Rated
Credits: 216
   
06-02-02

but something else accures my mind... you know how there are vegaterians... they say that they don't eat meat... but they weae clothes that come from animals... i don't know i see that it is weird in a way... but i don't mind the people that are vegateariens...
  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Reddit!
Reply With Quote
  (#16) Old
Shattered Dream is Offline
Rev up your Harley
Shattered Dream will become famous soon enough
 
Shattered Dream's Avatar
 
Posts: 3,108
Gallery: 0
Comments: 0
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Emerald Isle
Zodiac Sign: Virgo
Rating: 1 Votes / 5.00 Average
Credits: 45,804
   
06-02-02

Quote:
Originally posted by shy girl
but something else accures my mind... you know how there are vegaterians... they say that they don't eat meat... but they weae clothes that come from animals... i don't know i see that it is weird in a way... but i don't mind the people that are vegateariens...
I am a vegetarian. I don't eat meat because I don't agree with the way they are slaughtered.

I try not to wear clothes that are made from animals. I've never worn real fur and try to stick to fake leather. Leather, however, is taken from cows that were slaughtered for their meat first, so in reality, it is good to see that they aren't being wasted.

I am glad to see that most people here disagree with wearing real fur.
  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Reddit!
Reply With Quote
  (#17) Old
Dark_Rain is Offline
Registered User
Dark_Rain
 
Dark_Rain's Avatar
 
Posts: 19,573
Gallery: 0
Comments: 0
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Have you ever looked at someone so deep inside. That you get lost and can see there inner self. That is what i'm doing with you. Right know as i'm typing this.
Zodiac Sign: Libra
Rating: Not Rated
Credits: 216
   
06-02-02

shit it would be like someone cutting off my skin... makin it into clothes... eww i just ate food to...
  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Reddit!
Reply With Quote
  (#18) Old
Oezoem is Offline
Dark Ooze
Oezoem is on a distinguished road
 
Oezoem's Avatar
 
Posts: 8,019
Gallery: 0
Comments: 0
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: In a jar, kept safe on a shelve, gathering dust.
Rating: Not Rated
Credits: 91,303
   
06-02-02

hmm..what if they would screw around with DNA and make minx that have to shed their fur each year?

A) It's a new life form
They'll live


To love a Sin.......
  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Reddit!
Reply With Quote
  (#19) Old
Dark_Rain is Offline
Registered User
Dark_Rain
 
Dark_Rain's Avatar
 
Posts: 19,573
Gallery: 0
Comments: 0
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Have you ever looked at someone so deep inside. That you get lost and can see there inner self. That is what i'm doing with you. Right know as i'm typing this.
Zodiac Sign: Libra
Rating: Not Rated
Credits: 216
   
06-02-02

never thaught of it that way *giggles*
  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Reddit!
Reply With Quote
  (#20) Old
Shattered Dream is Offline
Rev up your Harley
Shattered Dream will become famous soon enough
 
Shattered Dream's Avatar
 
Posts: 3,108
Gallery: 0
Comments: 0
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Emerald Isle
Zodiac Sign: Virgo
Rating: 1 Votes / 5.00 Average
Credits: 45,804
   
06-02-02

Quote:
Originally posted by Oezoem
hmm..what if they would screw around with DNA and make minx that have to shed their fur each year?

A) It's a new life form
They'll live
That would be a solution!
  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Reddit!
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules

Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On