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though of course there would be these activist claiming how unnatural it is yada yada..just like cloning...but that's another thread


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06-02-02

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I am glad to see that most people here disagree with wearing real fur.
I don't know-- in a way, I've always found it tacky, almost.



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A couple of centuries past tribal and native people did indeed utilize an entire animal for use, so nothing would go to waste. The Native Americans honoured the animal before killing it, giving thanks and showed their gratitude by making sure that every single part of that animal was used in every possible manner. Ensuring that its death was not insignificant and purely for the sake of say a piece of its fur. The skin, the meat and the bones were used, as were all the intestines and organs. We hardly live in a world today where any one human being still gives thought to that, and I mean an urban world. Animals are bred to be slaughtered. There is an abundance of leather trade, yet there still seems a need to hunt obscure creatures by the gazillion (exaggeration) to make one fur coat. There is neither logic nor heart involved with that. The problem stems from mankind not realizing that animals are sentient beings, and yes ages past the eating of meat was a necessity for survival, as were all parts involved with the specific animal. I don't believe in the eating of living flesh, yet as much as all these things are related I think they can be very isolated. For instance there is the question of mass breeding (and the immense land it takes to say feed one hundred cows whereas that land could feed a thousand people if used for agriculture and planting of vegetables), and the insidious slaughter of exotic animals for not just their skins but also their meat. Does anyone really have to eat fucking giraffe steak? When there is such an abundance of cow/sheep/pig meat available? These animals are bred FOR mass consumption, wildlife isn't. Then the question of the leather industry, are these really the by-product of animals that were bred for their meat? Do any of us really know that, or is that simply a justification for the sheer pleasure (and it is SUCH a pleasure) of wearing leather? I don’t know the answer to that, but even within that contradiction I could never advocate the senseless killing of little furry animals so one woman could wear a fur coat. So in that essence, yes I’d much rather go naked that wear fur!

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I'd rather slaughter countless furry animals and watch them go extinct than expose any part of my body to the light of day.
  
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Re: Would You Rather Go Naked? - 06-03-02

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What are your opinions? Are you against wearing real fur or leather?

:greenalie
i have leather boots. they're very durable. leather is a good product. i dont own any other leather or fur clothing. i don't like fur it creeps me out.

what about wool? do they make minx wool? that could be interesting... shaved minx and all... i love wool. it's all warm and stuff.

sure we have synthetic fibres that could almost replace these, but they haven't. why? are they not as 'good'? maybe. acrylic jumpers are no way as good as woollen ones.


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Wait... let me see if I understand you correctly Ooze hun, you're saying unless people mass breed cows to slaughter them they would've otherwise become extinct? The state of endangered species is precisely that because of the poachers and hunters that seek the rhino’s horn or the minx's coat. It's because of humanity's greed and illusion of superiority that has brought so many animal species to extinction. And the manner in which cattle is farmed for the slaughterhouses I would believe extinction being a damn side better fate than the former!
elephants that are hunted for ivory are often not killed before they take the tusks. they're left to suffer and die if that is what it comes to. i hate ivory jewellery and furniture etc. there's something i think we could do without.

are the cattle used for meat the same as those used for leather?

are there better breeds for meat than for leather?

cow experts?


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Hmm. No, I wouldn't like to go naked either. Don't find naked bodies attractive. *screws up her face*
enjoys being nekid. only thing is i'm not an exhibitionist, nor am comfortable with being naked at home. [because there is family around].


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but something else accures my mind... you know how there are vegaterians... they say that they don't eat meat... but they weae clothes that come from animals... i don't know i see that it is weird in a way... but i don't mind the people that are vegateariens...
it depends on the reasoning of why they're veggies. if its because of cruety to animals etc, well that's just hipocritical isn't it? but if it's to do with taste etc. fine.

i see that as weird as well. i've met too many preachey type vegatarians that are hipocritcal to take them very seriously anymore. sure there are times where i will abstain from meat. but i don't find a need to tell everyone around me.


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I wear my own fur. 'Tough thin haired, it suits me fine. And when things get cold, cotton brings warmth instead.

My second skin is not that of an animal...


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hmm..what if they would screw around with DNA and make minx that have to shed their fur each year?
would it shed it's complete skin + fur like a snake or just molt lots and therefore the fur would need to biether glued to a base [very difficult] or made into wool and/or woven?


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Whatever one desires..I mean..if they figure out how to do it in the first place..but hey..everything's possible with DNA

Only thing leather I do heaver are my boots..oh and this colar on a jacket..hmm..the rest is wool or not worn..


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Re: Would You Rather Go Naked? - 06-03-02

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Is it right to kill animals for their fur?

I think it is disgusting and unnecessary to use animals for fashion purposes.

What logic is there in prohibiting the torture of animals for human amusement while allowing the torture of animals for fur?

"The question of wearing or not wearing fur is not ethically equivalent to the question of choosing a dress " - Oleg Cassini. When we choose a dress it harms no one. When we choose fur we are personally responsible for animal suffering.

The thousands of animals killed each year is too high an ethical cost to pay for a coat.

What are your opinions? Are you against wearing real fur or leather?

:greenalie
I am definately against it...
Remember, there will be one day that we are going to use human skin to make clothes...
(Did I say that? Yuck..)


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I am definately against it...
Remember, there will be one day that we are going to use human skin to make clothes...
(Did I say that? Yuck..)
mebe. what would be the benefits? warmth? durability [like leather]? or just a passing fashion fad?

could be quite goth...if it were black skin of course. y'know since they're satanic and all


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I am definately against it...
Remember, there will be one day that we are going to use human skin to make clothes...
(Did I say that? Yuck..)
Some cultures actually did that. Make shields/armor out of the skin of the fallen enemy warriors... I forgot the name, I'll have a look.

It's not all that different. But human skin is like very thin leather... not really suited for tailoring.


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I'd rather slaughter countless furry animals and watch them go extinct than expose any part of my body to the light of day.
That's terrible! Save the furries!
  
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Terrible, perhaps, but I think it's fuckin' funny. :metalhead



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here..have mine


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Yeah. Try Nazis.

And, um, that guy in Silence of the Lambs. *nods* But he had trouble with it. Human skin's not good for wearing. Plus you'd have to be skinnier than the person whose skin you wanted to wear... but if they were fat then it'd be all.. loose and stretched and horrible...

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Blechies!!!

I have a pair of leather Steve Madden boots . . . . a Steve Madden suede jacket with faux fur . . . . a leather jacket . . . . I don't know what I else I have that's made from beasts.

But I do know that if that dog doesn't stop barking, I'm going to have me a German shepherd fur coat



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