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12-05-06

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Your idea that man is by nature greedy and selfish is the biggest load of crap. No baby born in the world was ever born greedy or selfish. They all had to be taught these two vices. You repeat the same old tiresome, idiotic fallacies that have already been shot down by every scientific research done into human social instincts.

Uhm, are you for real? Have you even SEEN a fucking baby? The only thing a baby cares about is itself. A baby cries, not caring if its loving mother sleeps at night. A baby wants food, as much food as it can get, whether its mother is ready to nurse it or not. The ONLY thing a baby knows is greed and self preservation, it is intinct. As the child grows older, it throws tantrums when it doesnt get its way, it fights with its siblings over things it wants, these things have to be taught OUT of the child, not put into it. You are way off base with this argument.

As for everything else. If I bust my ass working 10 or 12 hour days to make myself rich, what gives the Bum on the street panhandling for booze-money the right to any part of my fortune? People are born into different societies, that is the luck of the draw. And we should always strive to help those less fortunate than ourselves, but that is not something that should ever or can ever be forced. Societies do not thrive if there is no possibility of personal gain. People just arent willing to work nearly as hard to support someone else as they are to support themselves and those they love. This is FACT. This is REALITY. What you are offering is idealism, fantasy, and hippie bullshit.


  
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So? I'm happy. I like my life. I like having stuff. I like having more stuff than other people. I simply do not give a shit about assholes on welfare. You can call me whatever you like and tell me I'm "blind" and a "taker" and terrible and horrible and anything else you can come up with.

I still don't care. And I'm still richer than you.
Oh? You are 'happy'?

HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HAHA!

Show us your happiness! When is the lasttime you felt joy? eh? ever smile? eh?

You? happy?

You are one of the mosy miserable unhappy frustrated hate-filled people on this forum! YOU? HAPPY???

Please! I pity you... You actually think your greed makes you happy!

Little boy: greed only makes you a slave: because you can never get enough. greed is an addiction. greed turns you into a wage slave. Greed drives you worse than a slave driver drives slaves. You are DRIVEN by greed. You are CONTROLLED by your greed.

So what happens if you meet someone who has more 'stuff' than youdo, eh?

ENVY JEALOUSY HIDDEN SECRET HATRED... eating away inside your rotten guts...

and poof! all your bullshit happiness disappears... vanishes!
simply because you were stupid enough to base your smug arrogant 'happiness' on how much 'stuff' you can accumulate.

If that is your definition of happiness: why then the slaves of ancient Egypt were the happiest people inthe world! They managed to accumulate a HUGE pile of shit... called the Cheops Pyramid! THEY could look all around and feel that they were better than ALL of the other slaves who had only managed to accumulate pathetic smaller pyramids that could not compare to THEIR! pyramid.

oops: but most of them died before the pyramid could be finished. They died from working...er slaving... er accumulating 'stuff'... but they must have been HAPPY! just like you are... er 'happy'
  
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Uhm, are you for real? Have you even SEEN a fucking baby? The only thing a baby cares about is itself. A baby cries, not caring if its loving mother sleeps at night. A baby wants food, as much food as it can get, whether its mother is ready to nurse it or not. The ONLY thing a baby knows is greed and self preservation, it is intinct. As the child grows older, it throws tantrums when it doesnt get its way, it fights with its siblings over things it wants, these things have to be taught OUT of the child, not put into it. You are way off base with this argument.

As for everything else. If I bust my ass working 10 or 12 hour days to make myself rich, what gives the Bum on the street panhandling for booze-money the right to any part of my fortune? People are born into different societies, that is the luck of the draw. And we should always strive to help those less fortunate than ourselves, but that is not something that should ever or can ever be forced. Societies do not thrive if there is no possibility of personal gain. People just arent willing to work nearly as hard to support someone else as they are to support themselves and those they love. This is FACT. This is REALITY. What you are offering is idealism, fantasy, and hippie bullshit.
um... are you for real? What is your earliest memory? What is the earliest thing inyour life you can remember?

Please: be honest. Tell us what your earliest memory was. I dare you.
  
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um... are you for real? What is your earliest memory? What is the earliest thing inyour life you can remember?

Please: be honest. Tell us what your earliest memory was. I dare you.
i'd like to point out, as a third party, that this in no way addresses the quoted information.


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i'd like to point out, as a third party, that this in no way addresses the quoted information.
you are completely mistaken: this person claims to know exactly how babies think and how they feel:

Obviously, I assume he is taking this from his own memories of being a baby.

If he is not taking his assumptions from his own memory of how he felt when he was a baby: then his assumptions of how a baby feels or what it thinks are complete conjecture... like me assuming to know what you think or feel. I do not have your memories or your mind: so I cannot tell other people what you think or feel.

Also:

All of you are into forgetting the past.

None of you want to remember what it was like when you were 10, or 7, or 4...

You were a completely different person then from what you are now.

Can you remember what you wer elike and how you felt when you were a child? If you can: you will find that what you felt and what you thought was NOT the same as what you feel and think today.

This poster assumes that babies think and feel exactly like he thinks and feels now.

Unless he can remember how he felt as a baby: that assumption is bogus.

Unless he responds to my question: his post about babies is not worth including in the discussion.

Do you understand? To argue something honestly: you have to argue from personal experience. If you have no personal memory of being a baby: you have no right to tell other people what they think or feel.

Nor have you any right to tell other people how they feel.

Nor have you any right to tell anyone that babies can think about anything: they can't. Their brains are not developed enough to have abstract thoughts. Which is another reason this person's claim is completely bogus. Babies cannot know what greed is because they do not have any language to teach them that abstract concept.

Unless you are a baby: you cannot say what babies actually want.

Unless you are a ten year-old: you cannot say what a ten-year-old wants or needs.

Unless you cen remember how you felt when you were ten: you cannot assume you know what any ten year-old wnats or needs.

Why do you think adults don't understand you?

Because they are not the same age as you are.

Why do you think you cannot understand adults?

Because you are not the same age they are.

Each age has unique qualities and characteristics. Each developmental stage of your life changes how you feel and think. You brain does not stop growing until you are almost finished adolescence. Every stage of your brain growth is different. Especially a baby's.

Do you understand?
  
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Obviously, I assume he is taking this from his own memories of being a baby.
i stopped reading at this point, since it what is obvious is that he is basing his statement on his observation of how babies act. therefore your assessment needs to be redone.


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12-07-06

plus, i think that babies are evil since their brains aren't full developed and the only true evil is not being able to rationalize your actions - babies can't, so they're evil. evil is not thinking.

here boy... come on turak...


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i stopped reading at this point, since it what is obvious is that he is basing his statement on his observation of how babies act. therefore your assessment needs to be redone.
little doggie wants to prove to his master how smart he is....

stupid little doggie... does not understand.

little doggie wants to be right!

poor little doggie.
  
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plus, i think that babies are evil since their brains aren't full developed and the only true evil is not being able to rationalize your actions - babies can't, so they're evil. evil is not thinking.

here boy... come on turak...

HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!

what else can you copy: asshole???

Don't stop!

HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HAHA!HA!
  
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That is the most ridiculous counter argument I've ever heard. The zoologist who studies monkeys isnt forced to recall his own memories of being a monkey when he tells how monkeys act. I am capable of watching and observing children, therefore I am capable of knowing how they are. Your argument is so pathetic and flawed, and based around weak sarcasm and mockery. Grow up.


  
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That is the most ridiculous counter argument I've ever heard. The zoologist who studies monkeys isnt forced to recall his own memories of being a monkey when he tells how monkeys act. I am capable of watching and observing children, therefore I am capable of knowing how they are. Your argument is so pathetic and flawed, and based around weak sarcasm and mockery. Grow up.
i've been saying the same damned thing since day one. i wonder if he's really 58ish and senile or actually a 7year old in 'special' ed. there's no way of knowing from his writing style, and his arguments could be either as well. hmmm...


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i've been saying the same damned thing since day one. i wonder if he's really 58ish and senile or actually a 7year old in 'special' ed. there's no way of knowing from his writing style, and his arguments could be either as well. hmmm...
'sigh'... You are full of shit. My arguement is not an arguement. I am completely correct.

You are also completely arrogant: I am not.

Everything that you are not: I am.

Too bad.
  
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Does that include Homosexual? Cuz I'm pretty sure Apostate isn't that.


  
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Does that include Homosexual? Cuz I'm pretty sure Apostate isn't that.

Pretty sure?..... oh oh...
  
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oh, i <3 teh vagina. ask your mom, dr D-bag. if you're wondering why i capitalized the d, it's because you're a douchebag with a capital d.


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oh, i <3 teh vagina. ask your mom, dr D-bag. if you're wondering why i capitalized the d, it's because you're a douchebag with a capital d.
NOW we are getting down to it....

Come on... show everybody here what a shithead you REALLY are.

Go ahead... throw more insane curses and obscenities... throw a tantrum... throw a fit...

I enjoy exposing snide little shitheads like you: don't-you-know?

it's a hobby of mine.

Oh... and you really MUST do something about your grammar... its atrocious...

HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!

GRAMMAR!

ha!ha!ha!ha!ha!ha!ha!ha!ha!

atrocious....

get it?

HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HOOOOO!!!!!

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'sigh'... You are full of shit. My arguement is not an arguement. I am completely correct.

You are also completely arrogant: I am not.

Everything that you are not: I am.

Too bad.
Did anyone else find that sequence of statements really funny?


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Oh... and you really MUST do something about your grammar... its atrocious...

HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!

GRAMMAR!

ha!ha!ha!ha!ha!ha!ha!ha!ha!

atrocious....

get it?

HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HOOOOO!!!!!
No, not really. Maybe I'm the stupid one.


  
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Pretty sure?..... oh oh...
I'm sure , he isn't !


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