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If the Church of Satan is an Occult, then I'm an Anarchy. (You did it again Dyshade, I will crush your cups!)

Human preception of the Universe at large occurs within the individual mind... The only way to understand life is to understand yourself... That is what I meant when I said that the goal of any thinking person would, or should, be to know themselves...

But... but... I need my cups....

lol... an anarchy.... that is funny too....

proper usage of the word occult....

Satanism includes magical occultist practices.

this does not make it "an occult"... that is improper English.... and do not start in on my friggen dots.... I love my dots.....

http://www.occultus666.de.vu/
http://www.jashan.net/sites/ascendancy/

i will have to look into the other ones that i have listed on here somewhere. though they give you some good info, the second one if you are able to find it on the site gives a detailed version of each type of satanism.

i'm not sure on that one, though the fact that everything about satanism is designed to break away everything christianity has brought upon us, i guess that could be a reason. also the church of satan has stated that it thinks that all churches should be applied tax and not given the special exemption they get, should the churches of god be applied tax they would crumble overnight as they're struggling enough as it is.
if you think about it christianity has had a major effect on the way today is, easter, christmas, shrove tuesday, ash wednesday, palm sunday, they're all christian events through time which are celebrated with these events.
consumer mainstream just cashes in on these events, easter eggs, christmas shopping, pancakes etc, it's all one big source of money for them, and at the heart of it, christianity.
so in a sense, if we're against consumer society, we're also against christianity which has built it to be what it is.

No.... he saw himself as a leader and as a prophet....

And if you go back even further in time... Pre-Christianity... you will notice that most of those days were Pagan days of worship..... Christianity had this way of absorbing Pagan days as thier own to make it easier to convert those who did not practice christianity.....

A lot of them are actually hijacked Pagan events... Easter is the first Sunday after the first full moon after the Vernal Euqinox, Christmas is the day after the latest possible Winter Solstice...

LOL!

I see you beat me to it... I always thought that putting villages to the sword and burning people at the stake would have hastened the rate of conversion too...

The early Christians learned alot from the Romans....

it probally just made them feel better as they didn't have to go answering to everyone who spoke out against the religion, plus as a terror factor, putting fear into people as a message to say, this will happen to you if you do the same, killing two birds with one stone.

and the Romans learned from the Greeks.... and the Greeks from the Babylonions,,,,, and the babs from the Sumerians.... yes the Judaic Beliefs go back to Abraham leaving babylon.... but the Sumerians predate that by a few thousand years,,....

there are always strong references to a certain point of view within each religion if you look closely. the pagan god shiva supports the satanic theory of duality in everyway, half man, half woman, half good, half bad, balance of the two, without one there is not the other, and it's this balance they feel is the essence to life while satanism supports the theory of duality on near enough the same basis

i read a couple of things on those sites crypt provided, while i haven't read through the whole of them yet, they do highly support the principles of satanism;

1 Life is the great indulgence -death, the great abstinence. Therefore, make the most of life-HERE AND Now!
2 There is no heaven of glory bright, and no hell where sinners roast. Here and now is our day of torment! Here and now is our day of joy! Here and now is our opportunity! Choose ye this day, this hour, for no redeemer liveth!
3 Say unto thine own heart, "I am mine own redeemer."

living life for the moment, independancy, the theory of duality in the sense of "without life, there is no death", it definatly holds a more violent feel to it within "might is right", but then this is the satanism i know, things like, vengeance instead of turning the other cheek,

7 Hate your enemies with a whole heart, and if a man smite you on one cheek, SMASH him on the other!; smite him hip and thigh, for self-preservation is the highest law!

the above is a little more vulgurly put but does state "should they attack first" where this is also a principle i go by. i would have no trouble classing this as satanism, they go by the same principles and theories of true satanism yet a little more focused on the hate aspect of it all.

the second site is definatly focused on more the peacefull and acknowledges lavey in his literature and work where the first doesn't, while it scrapes more closely along the basis of true satanism they say he does share different points of view on other subjects. satanism doesn't expect perfection or for people to have to follow along the same beliefs but as long as they follow the same principles, that's the difference.

"After all, people had told me that Pagans were bad -- which was untrue. And that Mormons were evil -- which was untrue. And that gay people were pedophiles -- which was untrue. This led me to wonder how much of the information about Satanism which others had told me, was also untrue. So, I decided to find out. And the rest is history."

that sounds like me when i first started learning about it, i felt the only way i was ever going to learn the truth was to find it out for myself, not listen to all the hypocricy about it, and as he said, the rest is history. i would definatly class that as satanism aswell, they both highly follow along the same principles.

now this is the kind of hypocrisy made up about satanism i swear really gets to me;

At the low level, they burn crosses, spray Satanic graffiti, dig up graves... A higher level is by burning churches, doing all kind of sexual aberrations, steeling [sic], drugs... Children sexual abuse is a higher level... and, of course, the ultimate evil is "killing", children or adults, the greatest release of magical energy.
__ __ __ __ __ ____ __ -- Religion-Cults.Com

i mean wtf? you can tell the guy hasn't even stopped to read a single book about it, if he did he'd know some of the satanic rules at least, "never hurt children" "only kill animals for food", there is no drug abuse either, satanism is prefered to keep a clean mind, sexual aberations? what about the rule "never make a move unless giving the mating signal", steeling? "do not take which is not yours unless is it a burden to them and they cry to be releaved of it".
it saddens me to see people who don't like us say such things about us, the least they could do is just not concern themselves with it as satanism won't concern them with anything if they don't even think about it, and if they're going to write an article, esspecial in something called "religion-cults.com" which i'm sure a lot of people read, what kind of message does that cast.

i think you can appreciate now the fact that what you believe satanism to be is not, it is simply hypocricy made up about it by people who didn't even want to stop to read 11 satanic rules and 9 satanic sins which would have taken them 20 minutes and invalidated that whole comment about it.

just for reference purposes, here's the 11 satanic rules and 9 satanic sins;

satanic rules;

1. Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.
2. Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure that they want to hear them.
3. When in another's lair, show him respect or else do not go there.
4. If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy.
5. Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.
6. Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved.
7. Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to attain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.
8. Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.
9. Do not harm little children.
10. Do not kill non-human animals unless attacked or for your food.
11. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.

satanic sins;

1) STUPIDITY. The top of the list for Satanic Sins. The Cardinal Sin of Satanism. It's too bad that stupidity isn't painful. Ignorance is one thing, but our society thrives increasingly on stupidity. It depends on people going along with whatever they are told. The media promotes a cultivated stupidity as a posture that is not only acceptable but laudable. Satanists must learn to see through the tricks and cannot afford to be stupid.

2) PRETENTIOUSNESS. Empty posturing can be most irritating and isn't applying the cardinal rules of Lesser Magic. On equal footing with stupidity for what keeps the money in circulation these days. Everyone's made to feel like a big shot, whether they can come up with the goods or not.

SOLIPSISM. This can be very dangerous for Satanists. Projecting your reactions, responses, and sensibilities onto someone else who is probably far less attuned than you are. It is the mistake of expecting people to give you the same consideration, courtesy, and respect that you naturally give them. They won't. Instead Satanists must strive to apply the dictum of "Do unto others as they do unto you." It's work for most of us and requires constant vigilance lest you slip into a comfortable illusion of everyone being like you. As has been said, certain utopias would be ideal in a nation of philosophers, but unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately, from a Machiavellian viewpoint) we are far from that point.

4) SELF-DECEIT. It's in the Nine Satanic Statements but deserves to be repeated here. Another cardinal sin. We must not pay homage in any of the sacred cows presented to us, including the roles we are expected to play ourselves. The only time self-deceit should be entered into is when it's fun, and with an awareness. But then, it's not self-deceit!

5) HERD CONFORMITY. That's obvious from a Satanic stance. It's all right to conform to a person's wishes, if it ultimately benefits you. But only fools follow along with the herd, letting an impersonal entity dictate to you. The key is to choose a master wisely instead of being enslaved by the whims of the many.

6) LACK OF PERSPECTIVE. Again, this one can lead to a lot of pain for a Satanist. You must never lose sight of who and what you are, and what a threat you can be, by your very existence. We are making history right now, everyday. Always keep the wider historical and social picture in mind. That is an important key to both Lesser and Greater Magic. See the patterns and fit things together as you want the pieces to fall into place. Do not be swayed by herd constraints--know that you are working on another level entirely from the rest of the world.

7) FORGETFULNESS OF PAST ORTHODOXIES. Be aware that this is one of the keys to brainwashing people into accepting something "new" and "different," when in reality it's something that was once wisely accepted but is now presented in a new package. We are expected to rave about the genius of the "creator" and forget the original. This makes for a disposable society.

8) COUNTERPRODUCTIVE PRIDE. The first word is important. Pride is great up to the point you begin to throw out the baby with the bathwater. The rule of Satanism: If it works, great. When it stops working for you, when you've painted yourself into a corner and the only way out is to say, "I'm sorry. I made a mistake, I wish we could compromise somehow," then do it.

9) LACK OF AESTHETICS. This is the physical application of the Balance Factor. It is important in Lesser Magic and should be cultivated. It is obvious that no one can collect money off it most of the time so it is discouraged in a consumer society, but it is an essential Satanic tool and must be applied for magical effectiveness. It's not what's supposed to be pleasing--it's what is. Aesthetics is a highly personal thing, reflective of one's own nature, and there are universally pleasing and harmonious configurations that should not be denied.

i just read your other post in the other thread

"i agree. i get so pissed off when people tell me that i'm a satanist. satanist are essentially christians because they believe in the war between god and the devil. and because WE know that the idea of the devil was created by the christians, that makes satanists christian. and i'm certainly not christian."

i don't see how you came to that conclusion when you don't even need to believe in satan's existance to be a satanist. satanism is a very peacefull occult.