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Dyshade · 05-23-05

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what like the Minuteman project, would you join that, or just sit back and let others do the work?

...also, the jews are not going to invade the US, they dont need too, they already control it. The jews want Palestine and the surrounding countries, thats what they want, that what theyv'e wanted for over 2,000 years, and they are not far off getting it. Trouble is, their is already people living in that region, the Arabs. So the jews and the arabs are going to have to fight it out. The trouble with this though, is that the jews are not fighting it out for themselves, their using the resources of the US, and your contributing to their fighting fund every day in tax etc.

According to you they are. Yes I do wish I could have a say in how my tax dollars work. Do you pay taxes?? And if you do not you must realize that you are performing an illegal action and not partaking in the duty to your country. Watch out for the IRS if that is the case.

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I dont assume anything, I find out who im talking to and then I present well researched facts. We do agree that sending US soldiers to Iraq is wrong for whatever reason, but, youre going to have to face the reality of the situation, and that is the US has done this.

Its a bit like crossing the Rubicon, or if you like squeezing toothpaste out of a tube, once its out of the tube, you cant put it back in. This is what Bush has done, hes so stupid, he'd even trip up over his own shoelaces. However, and this is an important point, Bush is being used by the Neo-Cons, their the ones in control of the US, and they are all jewish.

I agree that our soldiers should not be in Iraq. I disagree with your anti-everything statements.

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Of course my statements are biased against the 'jewish supremacists', however, it dosnt mean im not telling the truth. In fact you dont have to listen to what I tell ( that is for know until youre ready ), all you have to do is spot their lies, thats all you have to do.

Bias opinions tend to forget the truth in thier blind zeal to prove themselves correct.

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] What so youre now saying that aid-workers should give up what their doing? and are you saying that Rachel Corrie was not murdered? or was it an accident? and that it was totally her fault for standing in the way of a bulldozer which was going to bulldoze a house full of children and old people?

I shouldnt really comment on Rachel Corrie, because I dont know the real situation, however, her family are prosecuting all and sundry including the company Caterpillar who provided the bulldozer, I hope they win.

I hope they lose. If someone wishes to go to another country as an aid worker they are the ones responsible for what occurs. I am sure she knew the possible outcomes of her actions. Perhaps she felt that her death would help the situation. Regardless she is ultimately responsible for placing herself in that situation. I feel the same way about anyone. Too many people pawn off responsibility. We are responsible for our own actions and the outcome of them.

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errr WAKE UP - expelling people from your country is not genocide.

"gen·o·cide ** (*P*)**Pronunciation Key**(jn-sd)
n.
The systematic and planned extermination of an entire national, racial, political, or ethnic group."

in contrast to........

"ex·pel ** (*P*)**Pronunciation Key**(k-spl)
tr.v. ex·pelled, ex·pel·ling, ex·pels

To force or drive out: expel an invader.
To discharge from or as if from a receptacle: expelled a sigh of relief.
To force to leave; deprive of membership: expelled the student from college for cheating. See Synonyms at eject."

Expelling people is nothing like genocide, and neither does it mean control. So I havn't contradicted or made my comments hypocritical. My position is clear, jews are not wanted in European nations, and they better understand that.

....also, did you know that Dwight E Eisenhower expelled Mexicans from the US in the 1930's:

"At the behest of politicians and community leaders in the southwest looking to solve the region’s unemployment problem, the U.S. government forcibly sent nearly 400,000 Mexicans and Mexican-Americans (some of them citizens) to Mexico."

read al about is: http://www.americanpresident.org/his...e.common.shtml

Once again you misread what I posted---
You do not want to control anyone and yet you want to expel them from countries. That is pretty controlling and only a small step from genocide.

Note*** AND ONLY """ONE SMALL STEP""" from genocide.
In other words what if they do not want to leave. How will you force them? Deadly force? I know that if all of a sudden the American Indians started booting all of us off US soil because we do not belong here I would fight to the death to stay. I would expect the same of anyone else. Next step--- genocide. Basically your ideal of expelling is but a stepping stone to racial genocide. It is an easy way to condone murder if they refused to leave.

You really need to start actually readin gwhat I post rather than make assumptions.

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] not-true..true..true..true. You got 3 out of 4 here, well done. Agreed - Bush is an idiot, how he ever got to be even considered a candidate for the Republicans, never mind president, baffles me. Still, he has been elected, thats a fact. Youre also correct about Iraq. The fighting has still not finished, and if I am correct, Iran is next ( probabley sometime this summer ) which will make your statement correct. The conflict will be on such a magnitude its unbelievable to think about.

On the point which I think you got wrong, is the reason for the war. You said the US is behind it, and to a certain extent your right, theirs plenty of evil money-grubbing oil men in the US who supported this war. However, it was the Jewish Supremacist Neo-Cons who planned this war in the 1990's and it was the jews who supported, financed Bush's plans, and its to theri agenda. They want Israel to become the stongest nationin the mid-east, stronger then Iraq, Iran, Syria, S.Arabia, and Egypt and they want this to be final. All you have to do is research people like : Paul Wolfowitz, Eliot Abrams, Douglas Feith, Michael Chertoff, Richard Pearle and many others, whats do they have in common - jews.

Your reasons are theories if even that.

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not true, history is real, the trap youve fallen into is not questioning history or historical account. Like many other people you accept what your school told you, you accept what is shown on your TV, you accept what you read in the standard text books, you accept what you read in the newspapers, you accept everything which is put in front of you.

As far as im concerned i'm a very sceptical person, I like to read between the lines, and I like to ask WHY? WHY did x happen? WHY did Y happen? WHY is it that such and such said this? WHY WHY WHY?

Thats all you have to do, just ask WHY? Why is it that the jews have been repeatedly driven out of European nations for over 2,000 years, what is the reason? Why is it that the US has gone to Iraq, when they could of bought much more oil from saddam at a cheaper price? Why? start questioniing history and you may find another side of the story which you have never been told.

You assume that I follow text history and that I believe fully what I am told by the news etc etc.... once again YOU ASSUME!!! You say you do not and yet you constantly accuse me of things which have no impact upon my life. I question everything but without bias and without placing blame upon any one country or race. It is very easy to fall into the trap YOU have fallen into by becoming biased through a anti-race view and ideal.

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firstly, Ernst Zundel is not a member of any Nazi party, he's also a pacifist, he dosnt believe in war, he considers it a stupid endeavour, so why put him in jail and over 2 years in solitary confinement without a trial?

secondly, if the Nazis never started the war and if the Nazis never gassed the jews, then why accuse the Nazis of being evil? in fact you could say the Nazis were good for the German people. In truth the big problem with the Nazis party was that Hitler had to much power, he wasnt able to run such a large country like Germany single handedly . Also, the Gestapo and SS did commit atrocities, no one has ever denied that, and this is certainly not a desirable system to have back, few want the Nazis back.

You want National Socialism. You can admit it. That is fine. You will never be able to accomplish a mass forced exodus through democracy.

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lastly, on claims. You are making the claims, you are making the accusation that the Germans murdered 6 million jews in the gas chambers, and yet you have not provided a shred of FORENSIC EVIDENCE to prove that. The onus is on you to prove youre accusations, and when I mean FORENSIC EVIDENCE, I dont mean photos, eye-witness statements and/or forced confessions, these are a NOT FORENSIC EVIDENCE, only circumstantial evidence.

I did not come here to this Forum and make your claims. Do not place that responsibility on my head. You made the claims and as such must have the evidence to back it. So far all you have provided is bias anti-race views and psuedo-scientific concocted evidence. You have to do better. I am not the one who has to provide evidence. The evidence is all around you. No need for me to snub your nose in it.

Dyshade · 05-23-05

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Originally Posted by Friend

firstly, Ernst Zundel is not a member of any Nazi party, he's also a pacifist, he dosnt believe in war, he considers it a stupid endeavour, so why put him in jail and over 2 years in solitary confinement without a trial?

Ernst Zundel is such a Nazi. Here...

http://www.adl.org/learn/extremism_i...2005-03-02.htm

Holocaust denier and neo-Nazi ideologue Ernst Zundel has been charged in Mannheim, Germany, with inciting racial hatred and defaming the memory of the dead. A German native, he was deported from Canada on March 1, after Canadian Federal Court Justice Pierre Blais ruled that he could reasonably be described as a threat to national security, thereby making him subject to deportation.

Zundel lived in Canada for many years but was not a citizen.

A prolific apologist for Hitler, Zundel distributed Holocaust denial material in Germany through the mail and more recently through the Internet, and now faces a criminal trial. Following World War II, the country implemented laws prohibiting the dissemination of Nazi ideology and, more recently, outlawed denial of the crimes of the Nazi regime.

In the scathing 63-page decision that led to Zundel’s deportation, Justice Blais described Zundel as a hypocrite who cultivated a pacifist public image while guiding, aiding and supporting neo-Nazi groups around the world, including some that "propagate violent messages of hate" and work to accomplish "the destruction of governments and multicultural societies."

And--- HE BELIEVES UFOS" ARE SECRET NAZI EXPERIMENTS!!!! The guy is a whacko!!!

http://www.adl.org/learn/Ext_US/zundel.asp?xpicked=2&item=zundel

""" He was fixated on U.F.O.'s, believing them to be Nazi secret weapons based somewhere in Antarctica."""

What a nutjob.

Dyshade · 05-23-05

Ernst Zundel.... hahahaha.... how anyone can take him seriously is beyond me.

http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/z/...xpedition.html

Friend · 05-23-05

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Originally Posted by Dyshade

Ernst Zundel is such a Nazi. Here...

http://www.adl.org/learn/extremism_i...2005-03-02.htm

why dont you listen to Ernst Zundel in person instead of reading crap written about him.

....also its obvious you side with the view of placing people in prison without a trial

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Holocaust denier and neo-Nazi ideologue Ernst Zundel has been charged in Mannheim, Germany, with inciting racial hatred and defaming the memory of the dead. A German native, he was deported from Canada on March 1, after Canadian Federal Court Justice Pierre Blais ruled that he could reasonably be described as a threat to national security, thereby making him subject to deportation.

Zundel lived in Canada for many years but was not a citizen.

A prolific apologist for Hitler, Zundel distributed Holocaust denial material in Germany through the mail and more recently through the Internet, and now faces a criminal trial. Following World War II, the country implemented laws prohibiting the dissemination of Nazi ideology and, more recently, outlawed denial of the crimes of the Nazi regime.

In the scathing 63-page decision that led to Zundel’s deportation, Justice Blais described Zundel as a hypocrite who cultivated a pacifist public image while guiding, aiding and supporting neo-Nazi groups around the world, including some that "propagate violent messages of hate" and work to accomplish "the destruction of governments and multicultural societies."

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And--- HE BELIEVES UFOS" ARE SECRET NAZI EXPERIMENTS!!!! The guy is a whacko!!!

Ernst Zundel dosnt believe in UFO's, that's a lie made up to discredit him, for example:

"Dyshade believes in the tooth fairy"

I know this is ridiculous, and you probabley dont really believe this, but I also know that Ernst Zundel dosn't believe in UFO's and I know that this claim is a lie to discredit him.

You prove what ive being saying all along, that you believe everything that is put in front of you without questioning the source of the information and whether is true.

Friend · 05-23-05

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Originally Posted by Dyshade

Ernst Zundel is such a Nazi. Here...

http://www.adl.org/learn/extremism_i...2005-03-02.htm

Holocaust denier and neo-Nazi ideologue Ernst Zundel has been charged in Mannheim, Germany, with inciting racial hatred and defaming the memory of the dead. A German native, he was deported from Canada on March 1, after Canadian Federal Court Justice Pierre Blais ruled that he could reasonably be described as a threat to national security, thereby making him subject to deportation.

Zundel lived in Canada for many years but was not a citizen.

A prolific apologist for Hitler, Zundel distributed Holocaust denial material in Germany through the mail and more recently through the Internet, and now faces a criminal trial. Following World War II, the country implemented laws prohibiting the dissemination of Nazi ideology and, more recently, outlawed denial of the crimes of the Nazi regime.

In the scathing 63-page decision that led to Zundel’s deportation, Justice Blais described Zundel as a hypocrite who cultivated a pacifist public image while guiding, aiding and supporting neo-Nazi groups around the world, including some that "propagate violent messages of hate" and work to accomplish "the destruction of governments and multicultural societies."

And--- HE BELIEVES UFOS" ARE SECRET NAZI EXPERIMENTS!!!! The guy is a whacko!!!

http://www.adl.org/learn/Ext_US/zundel.asp?xpicked=2&item=zundel

""" He was fixated on U.F.O.'s, believing them to be Nazi secret weapons based somewhere in Antarctica."""

What a nutjob.

why dont you check your sources, i.e. who are the ADL? etc.. you have been so manipulated and brainwashed, that you probabley believe the story that the jews believe in jesus christ. - OMG.

....also your the anti - anti-White, anti-Western, anti-culture, anti-diversity.

If you live in the US, you will find out pretty soon when your economy collapses what all this is all about, and you'll probabley remember some of what iv'e been saying here. I hope so, because it may save your life. As for me i'm off to speak to some other people who are a bit more open minded, and who have a bit more common sense.

"in a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act!"

George Orwell.

Dyshade · 05-23-05

Sure.. sure.... I bet you are heading to antarctica as well to find the UFO's... have fun

eresh_cloudy · 05-23-05

"why dont you listen to Ernst Zundel in person instead of reading crap written about him." "Ernst Zundel dosnt believe in UFO's, that's a lie made up to discredit him"

Hmmmm I know some other people which this also applies to....made up lies about certain people and books...

"that you probabley believe the story that the jews believe in jesus christ. - OMG."

Jesus was a jew...and yes, there are jews that believe in him, they're called J4J (jews for jesus) You check your resources...

Kain424 · 05-23-05

Actually, the Nazis conducted several successful experiments with soucer-shaped aircraft in the Haunabu projects. They also sent a military expedition to Antarctica and named their territory New Schwabenland (sp).

I'm not sure if one could try and connect the two together and say that there are Nazi UFOs in Antarctica, but it is an interesting coincidence that the U.S. tested low-level nuclear weapons in that area during the 50s and 60s. It would certainly make for a fun science-fiction movie. Historically, however, I am not sure that it has too much validity even as a theory.

As for this whole topic, it is without a doubt that the number of Jews said to have been killed in the camps has been exaggerated. As famed skeptic Michael Shermer says, "the Holocaust deniers can at least be partially right (the best estimate of the number of Jews killed at Auschwitz, for example, has been changed)..."

But that does not take away from the fact that the Holocaust is still in the top three most atrocious acts of the supposedly modern 20th century, right behind Stalin's killing of 20 million people in Russia and the mass killings in China during the Chinese Cultural Revolution.

Dyshade · 05-23-05

An excellent article explaining why people do as friend here does.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claims_...ocaust_deniers

Dyshade · 05-23-05

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Originally Posted by Friend

why dont you check your sources, i.e. who are the ADL? etc.. you have been so manipulated and brainwashed, that you probabley believe the story that the jews believe in jesus christ. - OMG.

....also your the anti - anti-White, anti-Western, anti-culture, anti-diversity.

If you live in the US, you will find out pretty soon when your economy collapses what all this is all about, and you'll probabley remember some of what iv'e been saying here. I hope so, because it may save your life. As for me i'm off to speak to some other people who are a bit more open minded, and who have a bit more common sense.

"in a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act!"

George Orwell.

As eresh stated some Jews do believe in him. He did exist. We have several corraborating accounts of his life. Or do we need to provide you with "forensic" evidence??? hehe......

So are you a prophet now??? Are you telling us our economy will be collapsing soon. Are you a US citizen???

""All political thinking for years past has been vitiated in the same way. People can foresee the future only when it coincides with their own wishes, and the most grossly obvious facts can be ignored when they are unwelcome.
George Orwell ""

Dyshade · 05-27-05

Looks like friend ran for the high ground. I would too were the one guy I was praising proven to be a nut. Since friend loves orwell so much---

The Catholic and the Communist are alike in assuming that an opponent cannot be both honest and intelligent.
George Orwell

I would alter it to say;" Friend, The Catholic and the Communist----"

Qoji · 05-27-05

Hey...

Friend · 05-28-05

just cant resist posting this link to a recent documentary:

http://www.solargeneral.com/video/jdw.wmv

have fun watching it - chuckle.

Dyshade · 05-28-05

Anything else to add besides more links which noone is going ot look at??? Your one source of pride was already proven a fruit-loop. This evinces doubt upon any other sources you might provide.

syphilis · 05-29-05

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Originally Posted by Friend

just cant resist posting this link to a recent documentary:

http://www.solargeneral.com/video/jdw.wmv

have fun watching it - chuckle.

I got to admit that video made some of sense.

Friend · 05-31-05

o'h look what Henry Ford ( the founder of the Ford motor company ) wrote about your precious little 'judens' / semites: