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I just wanna know why so many people reject God? Why dont most of you believe in a higher power? Did anyone ever give you a reason to doubt? What is your reason for doubt? | |
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I believe in a creator, but I will never believe that it was your god that created all this. de vagorum ordine dico vobis iura
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| Re: why not faith? -
08-08-02
Quote: Originally posted by theTRUTH 1)I just wanna know why so many people reject God?
2)Why dont most of you believe in a higher power? Did anyone ever give you a reason to doubt?
4)What is your reason for doubt? | 1) Maybe it is a sign that you are wrong......
2)I believe the Higher Power is within us.... why go looking in a church for that which exists right inside of you????  Did anyone ever give you a reason to have faith???
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I believe in many higher powers, those of body, mind and spirit...I just don't like being told that there is only one way...that's outrageous, and option is and should be available...and dy is right about the church...why must I to show my..."deity" that I believe by kneeling before some plaster statue of his son being tortured on a cross, told that women should be subservient and modest because some fictitous woman ate some fruit and resulted in the downfall of man, sing a few songs, kneel and pray and toss money in a bowl so that the "church" can get a new ceiling and the leader eat?!! Why not go out and spend a few minutes in nature...that should be considered a god's house...tree, rock, water, earth, air and all the other living things in this world? Not some wood and stone structure...Isn't a sunset a more magnificent way to enjoy his creation rather than sitting in an enclosed room... To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. | |
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1-4) No proof.
Even basing my beliefs on what I feel alone without proof No.1 is..disagreeable. Work is of two kinds: first, altering the position of matter at or near the earth's surface relatively to other such matter; second, telling other people to do so.
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If there was proof beyond a shadow of a doubt that God existed...you would have no control over your life..you would be forced to believe...who would want that? I wouldnt. That's like being a puppet...controlled by something...no mind of my own..no reasoning or questioning for myself...you would be nothing if you had proof...merly puppets with a master. Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."
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lol thats funny coming from a christain.  Work is of two kinds: first, altering the position of matter at or near the earth's surface relatively to other such matter; second, telling other people to do so.
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i was born and baptised as a christian .. as for my belifes i believe in god and jehova and kali and odin and the raven god of ancient native americans and the great spririt and so on and so forth... i just do not have faith in them after like it was stated above by Jordyn and Denalay and Dyshade faith is something that can not be preached about it is something that is from us.. if i want to trust my "soul" (that is up for debate by other users) to someone that tells me i have to worship "it" then they are not deserving of anything accept acknowledgment that they exist...
but then again i tend to take after my screen name because when the last star fades and the sands stop flowing all that is left is Oblivion and not even godz can escape..... There is no Joy greater than soaring high on the wings of your dreams, EXCEPT mabey the joy of watching a Dreamer who has no where to land but in the Ocean of Reality! Alone together. It was all two people could ever be to each other, Alone. Together. For the dreams and secrets of our hearts may be spoken, but words are poor handmaidens. Wordes can never fully say what we want them to say, for they fumble, stammer, and break the best porcelain. The best one can hope for is to find along the way someone to share the path, content to walk in silence, for the heart communes best when it does not try to speak... from the book "Dragons of a Lost Star | |
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08-08-02
The pagans refuse to have faith in nothing but their father for they are afraid to let go of their own self. To lose their selves would be a sin unto itself in their eyes.
Their reward is their indulgences in which they place all their trust. And faith.
In a moment it will be consumed by fire. Nothing will be left.
After everything of earthly vessels they have placed their faith in has been consumed by the fire, then they too will be thrown into that lake which burns day and night without ceasing.
There will be much anquish on the day the Son of God returns. All Peoples will bow their knee before the Most High and proclaim He is the King of King and Lord of Lords.
On that day, He will seperate the goats from the sheep.
Those who know Him will go forward into eternal glory.
Those whose faith was found in man and intellect will face eternal seperation and damnation.
The Gatekeeper is powerless and impotent.
The Deceiver knows too his time is coming.
Soon both will be thrown into the lake of fire for rejecting He who sits on the throne of the Almighty.
Listen and hear.
The Lord is God.
Have faith in His Son.
Praise God for the Blood of the Lamb that takes away the sins of the world and has the power to deliver you from the evil one.
Soon a great war is coming. So great a war the earth has not seen nor shall ever see again.
2 billion will die.
The forces are gathering for this war.
Many are here now awaiting their appointed time.
The Decrees are being issued.
Others are coming.
The war will take you for you cannot escape.
You are unprepared and will soon face judgement.
Turn your eyes upon the Son of God and look to Him for your salvation.
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You know I look at your name and I dont think "messenger" I think "carpet cleaner".
Great, I have to lose my sense of identity or be killed by your oh so holy sky fairy. The future never looked brighter or more full of crap. Work is of two kinds: first, altering the position of matter at or near the earth's surface relatively to other such matter; second, telling other people to do so.
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I have faith god does not exist. Take that. Fucking your mother doesn't make me any less of a HOMO. | |
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"Unless you see signs and wonders, you will by now means believe" Book of John, 4 : 48. Well so far I haven't seen any so I don't believe in god or a higher power. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Vae Victus Suffering to the Conquered | |
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08-09-02
i have my doubts of everything but just cause people arent christians or people who go to church doesnt mean that people dont belive in a higher power...besides the only people who gave me doubt were christians "The undeserving maintain power by promoting hysteria.”
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Quote: Originally posted by Unstained The pagans refuse to have faith in nothing but their father for they are afraid to let go of their own self. To lose their selves would be a sin unto itself in their eyes.
Their reward is their indulgences in which they place all their trust. And faith. |
Now this is just insulting and i find rude! You and your cronies are so adamant about faith when you egotistical fools can't see beyond your own little books...I don't live my life based on delusions, visions and voices from the sky written down by men, appended by a king and now mass produced in hundreds of languages, formats and even denominations...I don't have to condemn and convert others to my way, because those who are smart choose their own paths...funny you seem to be preaching about surrending the self to what you and your blind belief see as "the way" what would happen to your hypocritical practices if jesus went with the flow, surrendered his self? his little cult would not have even had a fishes chance in the desert! He'd be dancing nake with nymphs, worshipping baucus and living a right merry roman life
As for faith...that is the most deluded part of your ramblings yet...what do you have faith in? A book, an unprovable god, and your own banterings? To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. | |
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| Re: why not faith? -
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Quote: Originally posted by theTRUTH I just wanna know why so many people reject God? Why dont most of you believe in a higher power? Did anyone ever give you a reason to doubt? What is your reason for doubt? |
Nobody gave me a reason to believe...i simply cant...and it doesnt really matter to me. Some see the dark some see the light, What´s in your view only time can tell To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
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why do you believe that it exists? You can look at it as a metaphor for the fleeting nature of human life, or just chalk it up to my being a sick, bloodthirsty monster. Either way, it's all the same.
I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person
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08-13-02
Quote: Originally posted by theTRUTH If there was proof beyond a shadow of a doubt that God existed...you would have no control over your life..you would be forced to believe...who would want that? I wouldnt. That's like being a puppet...controlled by something...no mind of my own..no reasoning or questioning for myself...you would be nothing if you had proof...merly puppets with a master. |
Being forced to believe that something exists doesn't mean being forced to follow it.
For example... we're forced to believe that the government exists and there are tons of anarchists around the world.
It would be much easier for myself if we were automatically enlightened by knowing which god(s) is/are real and which god or gods aren't.
There wouldn't be the 'religion #1' vs. 'religion #2' bullshit. | |
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Quote: Originally posted by theTRUTH I just wanna know why so many people reject God? Why dont most of you believe in a higher power? Did anyone ever give you a reason to doubt? What is your reason for doubt? | Why I do not believe in God? To explain that, I think I will have to explain my general view on religion, faith and science. It is not easy for me, as my english is far from perfect, but I will try my best. It will be a long explanation and may be not easy to understand in the beginning and may seem as I strayed too far from the subject. Also, this view in no way pretends to be the only truthful view and may of course contain some errors. But anyway, here it is.
World is a very complex thing, there is no doubt about that. People do not fully understand it, they do not understand everything that happens around them. There are millions of things that humans still have not discovered or have been unable to explain. But that does not mean yet that those things do not exist. It is the lack of knowledge that prevents humans from fully understanding them. I think an example should be given here. Long ago people did not know about the gravity force the Earth has. Neither did they knew that Earth is in fact not flat as they imagined, but has a shape of a sphere. Even the idea of Earth being a sphere was impossible to comprehend for them, as they could not understand how they do not fall down from it in that case. So they searched for an end of the earth. It is the discovery of a gravity force, round-the-world voyages and maybe some other discoveries that led humans to understanding that Earth is in fact like a sphere. The gravity force pulls all objects to the center of our planet, to it's core, and this whole 'Earth-is-round' thing suddenly started to make sense. But we still are not sure as of the origin of that force, we do not have full knowledge of what is at the core. As we do not know about a lot of other things. Life and death, an idea of some greater power are just some of those. I think that to understand those we yet have to come to some knowledge, that is out of our reach at this moment. But that doesn't mean yet that we will never find it out.
However, humans do not like to not understand what is happening around them. They have fear for the unknown. And they try to fill those gaps of knowledge they possess, if not with knowledge itself then with something else. They want to find reason for everything. For some that fear is too much to bear, so religion emerges to fill those gaps. Religion tries to explain many of those things like greater power that created us (like God), what comes after death (afterlife) and a lot of other stuff. Religion gives faith that is like an image of our world, but simplified for better understanding and with explanations to certain things and events. So, a human, who starts to have faith, starts to be more confident as he has less fear for what surrounds him and what awaits him. One of the greatest fears humans usually have is a fear of their death. The reason for that is that humans do not know what will happen when they will die. So that's why theme of an afterlife or reincarnation is so popular in religions. A more confident human acts more freely and feels much better, and as he notices that, he thinks that it is God (or something else) that helps him and that further strenghtens his faith. It may be similar to how a human feels himself much more confident in a more familiar surrounding (like his hometown) and among people he knows, then in a big city that he visits for the first time and among unknown people. But in case with faith it is just on a much greater scale. So, it is possible to say that faith may actually be beneficial to it's bearer.
Different religions had been most likely created for different reasons. Some were created possibly because the faith first emerged in one human's mind and that human found out that he draws strength from it. So he decided to share it with others so that others could become stronger and also to further strengthen his own belief from their faith. But as religion is a powerful tool for controlling the masses, it was often used by some with more selfish intent or even was created specifically for that reason. Of course faith could not form itself out of nothing (unless the religion was artificially created for pure human control), so every faith may have some amount of truth behind it.
But no good comes without it's bad side, and faith has it's flaws too. As it is like an imagined world with some boundaries, those boundaries can be crashed to pieces, if faith's bearer stumbles on something that totally contradicts his beliefs. That may lead to him losing his faith and with it his confidence and power. I also think that a human with faith subconsciously tries to avoid those dangers as his mind somehow understands that a loss of faith will weaken it. So a human with faith is often blind to contradictions and is often agressive to those who may present the danger to his faith. The extend of it may be different from religion to religion, depending on what faith the human has. Also that would explain why humans usually try to be closer to those who have same faith (to strengthen their faith) and in some religion's cases try to convert those around them or even wage war against "unbelievers". Science and new discoveries may also present a danger to faith as new knowledge may contradict some of old beliefs. That would explain, for example, why church was often against science and tried to ban it and prevent new discoveries. So, the boundaries of faith, while helping it's bearer, may also prevent him from getting real knowledge about his surroundings.
So, coming back to original question... I do not believe in God, because I don't have faith in it. I was once a christian, but I guess my boundaries of the faith were trashed by too many contradictions to it that I encountered. It just stopped making sense to me. And I am glad about it, as I understand that I may live without this faith and I will better have my mind open for new knowledge. It may well be that there is some kind of greater power, but humans currently don't have a real knowledge about it if it actually exists. I am quite sure that there will be time when humans will get more real knowledge on it and they will come closer to understanding those currently unexplainable things. I think that humans have not yet discovered some knowledge that would allow us to comprehend those more complex things (like the knowledge about gravity force for understanding the possibility of Earth having a sphere shape). And at least my lack of faith will do less harm to other people, then if I will have it. | |
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wow...that's wow....so what's your philosophy on life?  To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. | |
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