Is something lacking in our lives that we need magic to put it right or is it just an essential part of existence like breathing or eating?

Has magic always been there, have we always had it or does it only come into being when we need it?

In short, did we create magic or do we just use it?

i think we use it...i believe it's an energy that all life forms have access to...some are able to tap in and guide it to their needs...it's something i feel people have forgotten how essential it is to a life...

on a frivilous note...to have those pm us that we've been missing? *tosses some eye of newt and hair of frog and stirs it with some dehydrated rose petal*

*adds some crutons and black pepper to taste*

..but are we "of" magic or is magic "of" us?

I would say we are of magic, that magic is not of us. I think that magic would still exist whether humanity did or not.
But I also think that it does fufil a purpose within our lives, it is like Gods, if humantiy doesn't have a mystical force in our lives, then why do we need to believe in one so much?

It is an invention of ignorant minds to explain things that could not be explained. Some people use it still, in preference to Science. Which is their choice, but Science can provide a sense of wonder if you look into it. A sense of wonder based on real, hard evidence instead of personal beliefs based on whims and desires.

interesting point vallisk however...

"but are we "of" magic or is magic "of" us?"

i think it's sort of both, in a way...in the beginning there was this mass of energy, i don't know who or what it is...but it's what became the "gods"...at some point, for some reason it was fractured...and spread through out the universe...

now here's where it becomes both...

we being part of that energy(i've yet to figure that out, but playing with a few concepts) are able to "retap" into that energy...kind of like electricity in a house...there's wires of this energy surging through your house...you plug in a lamp that draws upon this energy and it's broken from the stream, offering a person light, yet it draws from the original source of energy to do as it's...guided too by a conscious beign...this is just my theory however

back to the same circle...can you prove it does NOT exist?

like many mysteries in this world, the skeptics say that Magic, Otherkin and everything supernatural (including the God of the Christians) is all a myth, an invented story to get people's feelings moved.

but let's face it: people need to believe in something far more powerful than themselves. it's on it's genes, I guess.

and if you believe long enough, I think your own willpower can make anything possible. like every religion and belief, is all about faith.

There is evidence for a form of energy that flows throughout the known Universe, and probably the entire Universe, which permeates and binds everything. So Yoda was most likely correct. Yet there is no evidence to suggest we can tap into or manipulate this energy with only our minds.

In fact, our minds seem entirely limited to being inside us, finding expression physically. The idea that we could project thoughts and influence reality is unfounded scientifically, and thusly it should be assumed that it is not a valid belief to hold. It is not required that i, or anyone else, actively disprove Magic. It is not proven or strongly supported by valid or reliable evidence. Therefore, a reasonable person should reject a belief in it. The fact that people do not, merely reflects the desire that humans have for higher meaning and continued existence. Nobody wants to just end, so beliefs in gods/God/Magic are popular. The human need for 'something more' is expressed in many different ways, all of which require only a desire to believe and the ability to ignore or disregard real evidence to the contrary. People created the idea of magic and continue to support it out of need and a desire to. Yet not a single, verified example of Magic has ever been demonstrated to the world.

You know I dont care if it does just end, oblivion is not something to care about, you wouldn't even care if it did just end, you wouldn't exist to care. So what there to care about? Other than that afterlives are verbal wanking you cannot prove it, no way, no how, not even really to yourself, becuase as it states it happens after life, so you wont know until you die, so waste of time worrying about it. Worry about it when you get there. So your expalination is slightly faulty where I am concerned. But magic can be proven, like the fact the Spiritual Healers have a stronger vibrational frequency than Normal humans, and the fact that people who use magic get real physical sensationas from it, I know the mind can fake stimulation, but to qustion your physical senses, nut you have to trust your body.

Does the Magic you believe in not give you a sense of power or some deep satisfaction? I'm not denying you feel that it does, but i would argue it is a purely mental experience. When someone can demonstrate real powers, like healing an open wound in public, or levitating a car/person/spaniel, that i would consider proof. Talking about vibrations and invisible healing is of no use as proof.

(edited to prove a point)

that's a good point, is there a difference between emotion and magick...both are intangible and dependent on the person possessing them.

Magics there weather you want it or not. it carnt be trapped or discoverd because it's many differing things, sometimes energy sometimes life, but it can be tapped, of all things by the very nature of how life works, by use and the animals and so fourth. the differnce is that many feel they need magical talimans, or crystals or.....true, these items DO haven an effect, but i choose not to use them simply because i dont need them. it's hard to describe but ive always had a knack for healing...even tho i enjoy my action movies and sword fightign .

anyone can do magic to some degree as long as they take notice of the ONE rule that is beyound all others.....if you want something your going to loose something.

That point about love would be more poignant if love was only experienced by a tiny minority of people in any of its forms, if its existance was explained by a theory that beggars belief and often relied soley on the ignorence of scientific understanding in order to prove its vaildity.
Love can be observed in action, the effects of it in the real world and the behavior of those it finds a home in. Hormone levels have been observed to increase and decrease with some emotional reactions. Even if we are a generation or more away from pinpointing exactly whst causes emotion it is still a more probable theory than the mind controling energy outside of the body.

love can have an effect on magic, but only because it effects you, and is a shared thing between all the creatures of this planet.

science, now theres a joke, science which is nothing more than people writing down why things happen and then being restricted because they often lack the foresight to think outside the box, just rides the backs of things that already happen or exist, thus imparting knowledge that SHOULD NOT be widespread because what do people do with it....thats right, destroy

I tend not to share my small portion of love with the whole planet. Ok that sounds bad but I just mean that its a overly romantic view of love you have there. Not everyone shares it, not that it makes it any less valid.
If science is a joke then remove all of the benifits it has given you for your life. There is bad and good science just like there are bad and good systems anywhere else in society. What would be worse? A scientist who carefully looks outside the box and sees nothing or a..erm non scientist who refuses to look inside the box at all?

well, magick is becoming a more common experience upon people around the world...there's been a documented increase in brain activity when people pray(a way of calling upon magick) maybe in a few years it'll be the same equivelancy of emotion...to say no to that would be a prediction...but skeptics don't believe in those either...

Wouldnt that brain activity be the every same alpha/beta waves assosiated with discomfort?
Anyway I`m not saying nothing at all happens I`m saying that there is no change in the energies of the cosmos or a direct adjustment of the laws of probability or similar theories.