The game I wanna play in the poetry thread is completely separate and can be quite fun. Look, I was just trying to annnoy, you, but seriously, I think that our world views are fundamentally different.

It sounds to me like your view is that everything material is real and everythign immaterial is imagined. I believe, basically, that the opposite is true. According to your world view, I am delusional, and according to my world view, you are no more delusional than everyone else on God's green Earth.

okies I am game..... and very patient to boot..... you are correct that I personnally think that most imagined things are not a part of reality..... yet I do think that things borne of imagination may see the light of day of reality..... it just takes a lot more than sitting and wishing it true.... kind of like an engineer who envisions a better design.... he can imagine it and draw it out yet it does not become a reality until someone picks up some tools and builds it.....

So lets play this game.... start a thread in whichever forum would support it and I will attempt to play along....

Well, that visions can become reality is a given. I say that soley by envisioning it, you have made it so, just not in the present reality. Rather, in some adjacent reality.

Why should he help us? Aren't we capable of helping ourselves?

well i often think of the same things you do...
its like the bible... anybody you and i or anyone on the formus could of easily written the bibble... well what someone has an
exorcisim and they read from the bible and keep on praying alot...
then after a while they are cured... how do you think that could of happen???when they get cured with out that stuff???
so he does help out in some ways... some ways that are more like in mysterious ways... i'm just ranting... don't mean to bore you... if there is no god... then there is oveously no devil... so if there is a god... then oh yes there is the devil...
i wondered if i maide any sence????

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What if God doesn't exist? I mean it could of been some guy
who made everything up in the beginning and he made
everyone believe him ... It can all be fake ...

I do believe in God, but these days it's kind of hard. Where is
he? Why hasn't he helped us in some way ... ?
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The Abrahamic religions (christianity, islam, judaism) are based on the hallucinations of a man who suffered from schizophrenia. He experienced what psychologists call 'command hallucinations'; a voice telling him to kill his son, coming from a 'burning' bush which was later observed to be unburnt.
If only someone could have given him some anti-psychotic drugs, a huge amount of misery and suffering in the world might have been prevented. Instead his family proclaimed him as a 'holy man' and spun his rantings into a story which became the foundation of the religions mentioned above.

A theory:
It is possible that Abraham's wife actually did get pregnant after she was 'too old to get pregnant' (not necessarily as old as is now claimed), and that this seeming miracle led people to accept the crazy man as a holy man, and thus a very active and persistent religious tradition was begun.

i know "the exorcist" was just a movie, but i'm gonna use it as an example anyhow. the priests weren't completely sure that regan was possessed. she reacted to tap water when told it was holy water etc. but they reasoned that even if it were fake, an exorcism still might trick the mind into being cured. do you know what i'm getting at? i might be psycho as hell and act as if i were possessed. it's not real, but if an exorcism were performed on me, it just might work because i believe it will. and i am therefore "cured". maybe not from mental dillusions but possibly in the case of possession.

maybe if i was certain that i could not stop itching unless i has a glass of pink milk. i am so far gone in my little dillusion that nothing could cure me but my pink milk so someone will allow me it just to shut me up. it doesn't mean that it's true, but it is true to me because i believe in it. that's what faith and belief seem to be sometimes.

What if it's all a Big Lie!!!!


damn - that would be glorious!