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what is the cost of your soul? - 05-02-04

*just some light conversation

What would you offer your soul for? How would you word it, so you wouldn't get tricked, after all...devils who do claim their souls do have a bit of a reputation for manipulating the terms of a contract to get their soul...quickly, and often time before the seller realizes they've been duped...

how would you word it, so as to get the maximum benefit from your deal, making the devil wait to get his...or is it even possible to get one up on the devil?

or, are there ways to get out of a deal, once made, and if achieved...what would be the consequences of such treachery?

or, if you have sold your soul, do you feel you got what you asked for, or were you short changed...

i'd have to say i'm happy with my deal, i've got a happy life, i'll have to wait and see if the rest is honored in hell...

so what's your feelings on such an age old...custom?



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05-02-04

The only thing that would be worth it would be the point at which your soul ceases to be useful: The point at which the final iteration into the Prime has been made. Containing the sum of all knowledge, all experience, and all emotions, it would cease to be able to grow or improve itself. At that point, you cross into godhood. Should another entity be able to grant that, it would merely... speed up the process.

Yet not even "the devil" could grant such I think, seeing that that being has some learning to do himself...


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Don't be rediculous, there's no such thing as souls. The entirety of your identity is contained within your body. Name one function of the mind or body that isn't performed by the body or brain. There is no independently existant conciousness, no You behind you.



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there's no such thing as souls. The entirety of your identity is contained within your body. There is no independently existant conciousness, no You behind you.
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some sorcerers of extreeme power are supposedly able to turn people into mindless (for lack of a better term) "zombies" but taking away the victims soul....

personally i beleive every person has a soul, unless you have sold it of course


Fear is fake, it was created by humans and serves us no purpose...

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Don't be rediculous, there's no such thing as souls. The entirety of your identity is contained within your body. Name one function of the mind or body that isn't performed by the body or brain. There is no independently existant conciousness, no You behind you.
prove it!

as there is no scientific proof verifying that there is indeed a soul, there is no proof there isn't. Most major religions believe in a concept of the soul, whether it's to meet their gods, to be reincarnated until the get it right, reach heaven, or any of the other numerous rewards for a virtuous soul, they include equally...devastating punishments for malevolent souls.

There are ghosts, spectres, demons, angels, and other entities that could be considered disembodied souls...those creatures that operate with out a body...and therefore have no brain, just consciousness...

if there are no souls, only physical existance...how does god exist...or do you believe he's sitting in a golden thrown on a high cloud...watching his children...wouldn't that make him physical...with a brain and body too?

So, you believe when you die, you're dead, that's it...what life path are you pursuing?

that sounds almost atheist to me...i'm nothing like an atheist...so to simply dismiss my beliefs, inspired by other beliefs, some even older than christianity as being wrong because you do not believe in a spiritual aspect to existance and the human condition, is just...trifling.



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some sorcerers of extreeme power are supposedly able to turn people into mindless (for lack of a better term) "zombies" but taking away the victims soul....

personally i beleive every person has a soul, unless you have sold it of course

fascinating trivia...voodooist can indeed create zombies...nothing mystical, but they simply rub the poison from a blowfish so the victim's skin comes into contact...making them seem dead...in many third world countries their medical techniques are not so up to date, they have simple wood coffins and rarely bury anything six feet deep...the person is often buried for dead...the poison wears off and they wake up, their brain is damaged from lack of oxygen, they claw out, or are dug out and viola...a zombie

every story does have a grain of truth...



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I agree.......

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The only thing that would be worth it would be the point at which your soul ceases to be useful: The point at which the final iteration into the Prime has been made. Containing the sum of all knowledge, all experience, and all emotions, it would cease to be able to grow or improve itself. At that point, you cross into godhood. Should another entity be able to grant that, it would merely... speed up the process.

Yet not even "the devil" could grant such I think, seeing that that being has some learning to do himself...
i didn't think about that, good point.



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Don't be rediculous, there's no such thing as souls. The entirety of your identity is contained within your body. Name one function of the mind or body that isn't performed by the body or brain.
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Logically the only thing I would swap an immortal soul for is an immortal body.



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Logically the only thing I would swap an immortal soul for is an immortal body.
oh, how i adore you, i'd swap half of mine for a trip to ireland



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Fools...
Do you not know that their is NOTING on earth that is worth ones soul. If you sell your soal on earth you are STUPID, yea you might get somting on earth and have it for 50 years or so then you have an ETERNITY in hell, their is no releigeon in witch hell is a pleasent place, also everything in hell suffers, SATAN SUFFERS, and his army of dark angels suffers. Now I am not pulling this from my reliegon I have done reacurch on deamons and I know that they suffer as well. If you think that you can trick any eternal body (in heaven or hell) you are stupid/ignorant. These beings have had thousands of years and have infanite knowlege of us and you with your earthly mind CANNOT trick them.
Yes you can joke about and eternity in suffering, but its you who are suffering, maybe you should spend some time worrying about your spiritual well being, as opposed to writing foolish trheads on forums about selling your soul.
If you know that you have a soal, then you know you are going somwhere, pick right.
  
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ahhh...the sweet innocence of youth...first of all...not all religions contain an image of hell...witches do not believe in a hell...i don't think any of the eastern religions have a concept of hell...the only religion i know that has a specified place of torture is the christian religion...not even hades was dedicated to an afterworld of torture, but a more reasonable approach to levels...punishment fit the crime reasonability instead of the either or approach that you seem to embrace so fervently...one would think you are a christian...

you've studied demons, than i suppose you know exactly what they are, met them personally and engaged in stimulating activities with them to judge them so harshly? Funny, those i've come across never seemed to be tortured, hateful, maleovant or any of the other stereotyped reactions...unless that is a power granted to them! Weak people should not deal with such entities...I guess that's the difference between dealing with them and studying them...one has first hand experience...the other is just ignorant opinion based on others opinions...usually just as inexperienced or basing it on some book and those who wrote the book two thousand years ago...i suppose you also know that a majority of the "princes of hell" are actually ancient pagan gods that those who wrote the bible couldn't dismiss, so made them "evil" to honor...

and if you're going to insult us, again based on personal opinion and nothing based in factuallity, than please spell such trivial spewings correctly...i think it shows a significant more amount of "stupidity and foolishness" to care so little for the english language and concern for others who are reading you're posts, torturing their eyes and minds with such an atrocious, fumbling of the english language. Try dicitonary.com...it helps with spelling too...and just a click away if it's on your favorites ...that is rather a simple approach to pointing out the comprehension of a persons thoughts, and off topic...so i'll continue in pointing out the naivity and inexperience of your opinions on hell and devils...

the key to devils, demons and their ilk are to know exactly what they are...i do not believe in the standard concept of heaven and hell, so therefore my devils and angels are not the standard version...i'm willing to admit i don't know what they are, but those basing their judgements on christianity have it wrong...again, that's not fact, it's my opinion based on experience...and yes, even summonings...if you even have an idea of those...but that's a matter of energy, thought and other aspects to a path that you seem to not care about comprehending, just passing your self righteous judgements...is there anyone you don't know more about, or that you won't critisize for not being up to your standards of...well, vanity i suppose it could qualify for?

i believe people make their own heaven or hell when they die...if there are unresolved issues, you're afterlife will be hell, whether it's forced to reenact what brought you to that point for eternity, burning in flames or simply not existing...it becomes you're choice, subconsciously or not...so how does your childish and awfully misspelled opinion affect my beliefs...as they don't qualify for your heaven and hell approach to the supernatural.

A daemonibus docetur, de daemonibus docet, et ad daemones ducit

having studied demonology, and being the expert you claim to be, you should know what that means...



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05-04-04

Come on, Jordyn, what have you ever done that wasn't something everyone else in the world can do? Morals? Love? Hate? These are all trained reaction innate of the brain. That doesn't diminish their power, I'm merely saying that there's no pit in the center of ourselves. Like an onion, you'll never find a qualitatively different core.

And it's not atheism, I still firmly believe in God. God is the active principle upon which all of the Universe plays out.

After death? After death you continue just as you had before death: In a state of constant change, growth and decomposion. Continuity of conciousness may cease, but, really, when did it ever start? Just a series of events that are linked and appear to have a direct link, but are you the same person you were twenty years ago? No, that person is dead, her entire material composition has been replaced two and a half times.



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First hand experenciene, no.
Common sence, yes. I have reacurched demons, but I dont really have an urge to meet them. Thing is how can you belive in demons and not belive that they have a master, how can you say that you have a soal and that you do not belive in heaven or hell.
Reliegons have hells and heavens some "releigeons" are just moral codes with a title slapped on them.
The fact that you have been so brainwashed by them just led you into their traps, you call them demons look at the definition of the word.

An evil supernatural being; a devil.
A persistently tormenting person, force, or passion: the demon of drug addiction.

They are evil, frekin evil. If you have been drawn into the illsuion that they are helping you, YOU ARE THE WEAK ONE. I used to think that they were cool, First I thought then I reacurched but only once did it ever come to my mind to try to come across one. Sorry but dont call ME weak, you have fallen into a trap.
Earthly power < Damnation
You have made a very foolish trade.
I have on one hand seen an exorcizm, when I was in mexico, we went into a curch and there was a screaming man sounded like he was 60 and their was a veil around him so you coulnd see him. I have never heard sounds like that, anywhere else. It was sicking, now you may think this was for tourists but, it was in the backcountry we were the only americans and we came asking for directions. Well it turns out that, it wasnt a 60 year old man but that it was a 12 year old girl. When it was all done their was a tub full of blood that the girl had bled, she was fine. I dont really want to be any closer than that, but I could care less if you want to contine to wander blindly in ignorance.
  
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wow, I missed the spelling thing there, thats just low. If you knew my history with this language you would be amazed taht I can do this. Shut up, dont tell me I dont know what I am talking about I said that I have done reacurch not that I am an expert I have done resurch on the vatican as well but I am not an expert.
  
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just out of curiosity Arkantis what religon are you? after all there are soooo many different versions of christianity that is it is hard to tell what branch you come from and before you go babbling off about there is one true christian religon that promises the path to heaven i was once catholic and found that the whole religion was based off of past religons all the angels and deamons were old godz remade to fit into the new religion.. so do not go condeming anyone until you do Research on other religons before you pass judgement on others and even then keep it to yourself since most of the christian faith condems judgeing others after all there is suppose to be only one true and final judge and i will give ya 3 guesses as to who that is.......

as for my soul the only thing that it is worth is to protect my children


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I doubted my releigon for a while then I did look into it, I found that MY reliegon teaces what is neccary. I dont want to be labeld so.....
  
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