ohhh, yeah, you calling me a fucking moron is way different. i dont need your help or advice on message disipline. shut up bill, you're not teaching me anythinjewg.

See, if you want to be taken seriously you should attempt to at least not be as childish as to stick jew into the middle of a word. It makes your last 10 posts seems funny, but not in a HAHA way. Funny in a... Wow... this guy really is functionally retarded. hey that'd make a good user title for you. You should change it to that.

God, is this what it feels like when Dyshade and I derail a thread? Shut the fuck up already.


Skirting the edge of legality is, by definition, not illegal. However, there's a point at which you are actively encouraging violence, at which point you've crossed the line. They're going out of their way to just barely avoid doing that.

but it reajewlly pisses you off, i find that comjewical.

You have to set a standard and abide by it... I go out of my way to just barely don't break the law all the time. Every time you go exactly the speed limit, or just one under you are skirting the edge of breaking the law... and yet I do it everyday. Do you want some cop pulling you over because you were going 55 in a 55 zone.... because he didn't care for your driving and you were dangerously close to speeding??

while I admit the two are not the same by any standard, its the principle of the thing. There really ARE "slippery slopes" and America has been on a perpetual slip for about 30 years now. We need standards, and we need our courts to back those standards with as much action as is needed to protect civil liberties; whether they are those of a hate group or those of the salvation army.

sure, bro, everything the goverment does is copecetic with our governing laws. ask bill why the taliban was in power in the first place. reagan sold stinger, shoulder launched missles to the irainian goverment, which enabled them to knock out soviet choppers, crippiling the soviets to a total ground war. this was in 86'. this move has been credited as the nail in the soviet's coffin. but what the dub better known as the pres get us into? a full fledged fight with hardened expierenced troops that his dad's mentor helped out. fate...its a bitch.

what the fuck are you smoking?? what does that have to do with the issue, if you want to get into a debate about corruption in government and certain problems inherent in democracy... we can take that to another forum.

I am saying that these people have the right to express their religious/political beliefs as loud as they want. we should fight to our deaths (if necessary) to protect that right, without that one point the entire constitution would fall apart.

I fail to see any potential harm that could be done by saying you can't protest at a funeral, however. I'm usually all gung-freaking-ho about free speech, but that's just being an ass. Give them an hour and a half to fucking mourn their loved ones in peace.

fuckin hippy.

ok, we'll all just hold our tongues, and deny ourselves of our rights because DM finds something offensive. STANDARDS!!!!!

Or because it's disruptive to a private ceremony? Do you go to hang around outside living rooms where families are eating dinner with a microphone and scream obscenities at them? Is that a constitutionally protected right? Or is that harassment?

If you are in a public place and are not breaking any noise ordinance, its protected.

This country was founded on rebellion and protest. While I do not support their ideals, I do support their right to express them in the manner of their choosing. You can NOT deny someone their opinion... billy is right, whats next... banning Mein Kampf from public libraries... then what, all philosophy books that preach violence or hatred. ok, no more Nietzsche.... then we ban all intolerance.... ok well who sets the standards for intolerance... the governemnt? the supreme court? Honestly I would rather have the right to say whatever the fuck I want - and deal with other ppls opinions - than have to deal with some group of old white guys telling whats OK to say.

I don't want to deny anyone's opinion. I want to protect people's freedom from being harassed. I consider showing up at a private funeral and screaming at the attendees that they are going to Hell, they're fag supporters, their son/daughter is in Hell, God hates them, stuff about fag feces, etc., to be harassment.

No one should ever be restricted from expressing any opinion in a safe, sane, and courteous manner. But that doesn't mean you can call someone at all hours of the day telling them that you'd love to have sex with their severed windpipe.

Your slipper slope argument is weak. Protecting someone's right to expression doesn't mean protecting their right to forcibly shove that opinion down others' throats.

my argument is weak??.... lol... you just said that as long as people say things in a manner that you find "sane" and "courteous" its ok.

get the fuck over yourself...hippy douchebag

This is the law of the land. You can be arrested for harassment or disturbing the peace. Freedom to express your opinion is not freedom to be a relentless asshole. There's a freedom to not have an agenda forcibly shoved down your throat 24/7, too.

I had expected better of you. I seem to remember that you once were capable of intelligent conversation. But perhaps I misremember.

This conversation has become undignified. We're done here.

Well, on the bright side we have the Freedom Riders to help combat these assholes. WBC Has the right to assemble and call dead soldiers fags, and these guys have the right to assemble in front of them and gun their motorcycle engines so no one can hear them.

Who says bikers are bad people?

You know, if the entire Phelps clan went over the bridge in their van on the way to the next soldier's funeral, I might actually call that divine intervention, and have a reason to go to church.

So basically, you decide what freedom of speech entails... and as long as its not offensive, its AOK??

... and ive become incapable of intelligent conversation? You are the one making no sense, perhaps you can understand why that can be frustrating. You say you are for freedom of speech, but only if it doesn't offend anyones sensibilities... that is the most idiotic thing ive heard all week.

we are done here because you have chosen to embrace a politically correct viewpoint...which ultimately cannot be reasoned with - not because im calling you a hippy douche.

I'm perfectly willing to engage in any debate with any chain of logic anyone might conceive. What I'm not willing to do is to waste my time in a squabble that's been derailed by pointless insults.