No, it's not logical. By your argument, the human brain is the end result. What about the body its contained in? What about the brains of other animals? Are those just "test runs?" How can only one part of an organism be by design.

The fatal flaw to the logic of design is this: If everything in nature is by design, then how do you tell what is natural from what is man-made?

If the universe is a word used to describe all that within the boundaries of existence, then assuming that something must exist outside of it in order to create it isn’t necessary. You could easily say that the universe itself didn’t conform to the laws it does currently before the big bang. It would give you same result of one thing, larger than the current universe, existing outside of the current laws of reality, which had no true beginning.
I believe chaos does happen and that only that which works with the conditions available survives and is then called order. Adapting from random to ordered is the way of life. That calling something unpredictable (like miracles) a part of a higher order is only a means to comfort us and see the world through our own ideals.
Surely that’s a logical fallacy? Even if A is false, it doesn’t automatically mean B is true. There could be other possibilities we havent yet thought of.

No, but it is certainly plausible that the principle contained within the Universe that created the Universe might indeed be sentient or even super-sentient in a way beyond our ability to conceive. That sentience can be referred to as God and because it is the principle of phenonenon that brought all that we see into existence, then it would also be fairly safe to say that it has significant control over the motion of motion.

As if we don't see the world through our own ideals no matter what. Either way, we can easily refer to that principle which brings chaos into order as God.

It's possible but it doesnt mean that anyone would have to say that it`s definite or even likely enough to be a soild theory.
Saying that, I'd still like to think of the world as a single living entity, if only to make things more interesting then I fear things really are.
Or evolution.
I agree that we see things through our own ideals but it doesnt mean I have to like it. If humanity grew to be a little more objective about the world surrounding it then we all wouldnt be so caught up in all the details.

Grew nothing. We're as prejudiced as we've ever been and ever will be.

man has always feared what it did not understand...

Super-systems allways break down into microsystems of cycles that are predictable. While the super-system may appear to be mindless chaos, the microsystems that evolve out of the super-system are the expression of values being added or subtracted from the super-system. There is only a finite amount of any given thing in any given universe. So the Super-system is at first unpredictable, mindless chaos. However, after the Super-system runs itself for a while, cycles begin to fall into place, decreasing the amount of chaos inherent in the Super-system. In other words, the universe is gradually stabilizing itself by spending its chaotic energies to the point of a zero percent amount of that specific form of chaos.

uh... what?

Much like that Rubick's cube you threw away, you won't figure it out! GOD EXISTS, so does the DEVIL. The DEVIL is a DEMI-GOD, DEMI meaning "lesser." Therefore there is no power greater than GOD. Close your eyes, quiet your mind and listen to your heart and soul. The answer is there..........

Theologians, Scientists, none of them have the answer, your heart does.

Death2all, did you read anything anyone has said in this topic or did you just type a response? You are unbelivibly ignorant. It is painful to think about how ignorant you are.

Okay, so in a separate analogy, the Super system is a "spinning top" at first it's unstable, but through centrifugal force it balances itself within it's environment and becomes centered and powerful.

So there must be other elements to the environment that help the Super system to "balance itself?

Your thoughts?

What fascinates me about Atheism is that it's typically broken into 2 categories
1. Strong Atheist
2. Weak Atheist

The difference being that a Strong Atheist claims that GOD DOES NOT EXIST!
A Weak ATHIEST claims that certain GODS DO NOT EXIST.

My fascination lies in the Weak Atheist. How did they conclude that certain Gods do not exist? That would imply that they would have some sort of facts concerning those Gods that do not exist.

Anyone an expert on this? I admit, I'm not.

The weak atheist is able to change there mind depending on the facts they learn. Otherwise because they're Atheist, they can think whatever they want without the church telling them they're a bad person, or full of sin.

And if my heart tells me there is no god, I burn in the fires of Hell for all eternity... Gotta hand it to Christianity. Because they've managed to attract the most ignorant and gullible of followers, they can spread there message simple and easy... Think for yourself, just as long as it's how we tell you to think.

Every facet of life has it's "blind followers" I don't think it's fair to say they're all gullible.

But then again, I'm a Christian, so I guess I'm biased.

As far as ignorant, that seems to be the most overused word of the century. We're all ignorant in one aspect or another.

Or are you Omniscient?

Sure I can be ignorant, I'm human and like you said, everybody is in one aspect or another. But I like to draw some lines between a group of people who promote free thinking and intellectualism, to a group who run their lives by a book of fairy tales written 2 thousand years ago, not by Jesus...But by his friends. Everybody knows when friends tell stories about you, they always exadurate.

I am by no means an expert-but I think we need to clarify here-Athiests do not only not bilieve in God/Gods etc. They believe in no afterlife as well. The two arent nessisarily connected. To an athiest you die and thats it. This is why agnostics get such a bad rap and are often grouped in with athiests. Agnostics just don't know if theres a god or not, or if there is what god that would be. But they do bilieve in an Afterlife. I can't really imagine the point of bieng an Athiest. At it's very core it just sounds boring and rather pointless ( much like the Athiests I've met). Although I'm not what you would call a christian I do bilieve in a god or more specificaly, an afterlife/continuation of energy. I don't cling to this as some weak crutch. It is somthing I feel to be true and enjoy bilieveing. I don't think there is much validity in organized religions, but I don't think the only other alternative is Athiesim.

Atheists are not Atheists because it is fun. It is an honest belief, not an amusement park.