Do any of you know what satanism is??? Not this new crap started by Anton Szander LeVey, but old babalonian satanism... I'd love to hear what you know on the topic....

Not much, but likely it will be highly amusing to read your thoughts on the topic...

this could be interesting indeed. Guess i should be glad i'm on of the few respected satanists on this site

Religion is ridiculous, but none more so than Satanism.

Not a fan of any type of religion and I don't believe in Satan, but would love to hear your thoughts--i'm always looking for a new perspective on things.

Isn't satanism (well the current "satanism") just a reaction to christianity?

and that's pretty much why babylonians weren't, satanic.

i've read a bit about the babylonian religion and while i am conviced they're one of the oldest recorded religions, there's nothing satanic to their religion...in an indirect sense they'd sort of the great grandfather of christianity; if i remember correctly, Abraham was called from Babylon.

there's oodles of information about them on google, if you want to find out what they were about, but for satanism...look to roman catholicism for the really cruel and brutal stuff...they're the ones that perpetrate it's more, commercialized appeal for horror trying to frighten people into their churches.

Babylonian Satanism? I've never really read anything. I read an awful lot about Babylonian mythology. They are pretty interesting. The Ishtar worshippers are pretty out there really.

she's a sex goddess, most who worship sex are "pretty out there." Too much does funny things to a person's mind.

...in general on the topic; what would be the original basis for traditional satanism, not the contemporary Levayan stuff, but the dramatic spooky sort immortalized in the 70's and 80's horror genre and hype; it seems there was a fair bit of it, really practiced. Surely not all of it is based on bastardized roman catholic rituals and various forms of demonology, in that concept wouldn't it be older than gardnerian witchery?

From what I understand of Satanism it's not to bad to be a part of. Worshiping someone who only wants to bring you happiness in a different way shouldn't (in my opinion) be a sin.

In Anne Rice's Memnoch the Devil the devil isn't such a bad guy. He's just trying to help God, and in much the same why I believe. If the Christian Religion is the right one, and we'll burn in hell for not being Christian then God's pretty fucked up. Either that, or we simply don't understand the Bible.

Not only sex. She's a goddess of fertility, love and war aswell She apparently uses men for her pleasure then dispossess them but her heart belongs to Tamouz.
Why I was saying that people who do worship her are out there is because ceremonial they turn into prostitutes and sell their body in order to get closer to Ishtar. It is pretty out there.

Get your hand out of your pants for a minute, I want your full attention. Babylon religion predates Judaism, which means my ignorant friend that, it also predates the idea of S'tan.
Abraham the Creator of the Religion, stole... took most of his stories from Babylon, so you mindless meat grinder lets be clear, the Book of Genesis is based almost totally on the Babylonian Religion.
So as my final word to you lets say this, you weren't there, have no understanding of what you are talking about and should have just kept your mouth shut. Seriously have you no common sense? You can only under a huge fallacy of ego compare the morals of now to the morals of then.

the babylonians weren't the only culture to have zonah, there are so many goddesses and even gods out there that represent and admire those qualities to their worshippers. I personally favored macha, she had more...aggression to her nature, a neat history of making men pay and demanding the heads of the slain enemy in battle to honor her.

it's even rumored that the gnostics had their sexual rites and prostitutes that would go and bring others in; but considering how much they disliked being fleshy humans, i don't know how much validation that would have.

you think holy whores are out there; look at sex magic, that stuff gets really weird, as does some satanism...thinking about it, a lot of that magickal stuff was weird; now that i'm reflecting upon it.

depends on where that happiness comes from, being happy isn't a sin...indulging and placing those aspects to being happy above the welfare, concern or consideration for anything or anyone but the satisfaction of the moment is when it becomes a sin, letting those earthly desires control you, is when it becomes a dire sin, Gd understands human mess ups, it just took Him some time to come to terms with His imperfect creatures and develop a way to remedy the oversight.

i'll go with not understanding the bible...

piers anthony's incarnates of immortality had an amiable satan figure to, i've never read any of anne rice's vampire books and don't know how she set up the system, but piers was pretty impressive with his heaven, hell and the incarnates in between.

There's a christian sect of that. I'm not sure what they are called, but yes they are.

I said it's out there because it's not accepted of society and it is considered a taboo. A) I don't see it in my society or culture. I don't see any of it in the media. C) Mention it to normal people, and they give you weird looks. = making it out there.
Ofcourse there are many extreme things but that doesn't really make holy whores any less rare or bizarre or fascinating in my opinion

stealing is a little harsh, what would you do if you were in the middle of the desert, doing your job and a god popped up and said, "leave everything and follow me"; giving you an entire group of people to follow you through a desert, you'd have to come up with something quickly. why not go with what you know, and those following you know?

His god has always retained an air of enigma, so who knows who He really is?

influenced i can go with, but accusing Abraham of stealing the babylon religion is like accusing gardner of stealing witchcraft, we both know that wicca is nothing like witchcraft.

Moses led people through a desert, Abraham was a Shepard.

Rejection of Pascal's Wager:Babylonian Origins of the Creation Myth

so gardner did steal witchcraft, making wicca a stolen religion, invalidating all it's beliefs, magick's not really any different by that arguement, just stolen beliefs from other cultures.

moses wasn't the first one...however;

Abraham--The Journey

Abraham was just the first one to give many gods the finger and follow a more charismatic figure that did more for him; than all the gods of mesopotamia. i think three hundred people plus is still considered a group, unless servents don't count as people, but we'd still have him and his family, with lot and his family; before coming across the caanite's el and well, we have the first given name, Elohim for his god, negating the original basis of El.

or haven't you heard of the melding pot theories when several cultures meet. quick; without google...who was a caananite king?

but you know the difference between moses and abraham.

Two things, Gardener and Wicca is a very complex and involved thing. But Witchcraft is not a religion, it is folk Magic. So While Wicca is a religion that practices magic, Witchcraft is just magic without religion.
Two is that just because an idea or belief is taken from somewhere else, does not validate it or invalidate it. The belief will work or it won't, depending on your ability to accept it and your own personal growth.
I don't see why I should know who was a Canaanite King, we only go by what we are taught and what interests us. I never really had a great deal of interest in the Christian Mythology, but I was taught parts of it anyway. So yes I know the difference between Abraham and Moses, and apart from Cain the Biblical founder, I have no idea about Canaan.