well i'll be damned, folks, he's got a damned good point. billy, i think you just won me over from apathy.

I know it's fun and easy to completely misrepresent my view-points: Now I could point out the sheer lunacy inherent in the admission that you think that using Nukes might not be a bad idea; I could also point out that I have never advocated for complete pacifism and appeasement but to try and start a dialogue between Moderate Muslims and to try and understand the reasons why our enemies Hate us.
Furthermore, the War in Vietnam did not result in meaningful peace and that is the same kind of war that we are facing now. There are no clearly defined goals or a central regime to crush: So what we are left with is the fact that attacking without precision, coherence and with any attempt to make the moderates understand that it's not them that we are after: We create a War with an enemy that multiplies itself and cannot be subdued as easily as the Axis Nations with their uniforms, stated goals and clear identity. Or a conflict that can be resolved as easily as demanding and fighting for our freedom from British rule.
On that note; your admitted desire to carpet bomb civilian areas or to possibly even use Nuklear Weapons only shows your true colors. The declaration that this is already The Third World War is little more then an excuse for the carnage and destruction that will ensue if we continue to conduct ourselves without fully considering all the alternatives. However, you will also notice that I never said anything about trying to open a dialogue with the Extremists in this War: I am well aware that that is a useless endevour.
I'll just leave it at that.

Dude you say that like it's the moderates we need to talk to. the moderates have nothing to do with the war, as you've said. i'll be damned if they're gonna really help us fight muslims, no matter how extreme (note: this is different of course in iraq since the 'iraqi force' really wants to protect its own people). the moderates either don't hate us and won't help, or at least hate us but don't give a shit and start killing civilians. it's the extremists we have to focus on, everybody knows it, and dialogue with them is useless. and we already know why they hate us. they say it every damn time in those hate-videos.
besides, why not just kill the lot of them? moderates and not? extremists on their side killed our civilians. i know half of you talking-head pseudo-philosophers are gonna jump in and say that would make us just as bad as them, but anyone who really understands my point really should agree. it's about survival, man. nobody will blame us for wanting to live. for wanting to preserve our way of life. if we can win, we should. and we can eradicate *everybody*. now whether that would be counter-productive to our ultimate goal of self-preservation is a little unclear, but i'd say that if we don't do everything in our power to stop at least the extremists then it's pretty clear that our way of life won't last long.

waaah why cant we just talk? I mean talking solves everything ask Hitler and the Russians.

more talk:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...372471,00.html

This will end badly.

Like most times when things people say make others outraged, what he said was taken completely out of context. He was quoting a conversation about Islam that took place 600 years ago.

I gotta give the guy props for not recanting though. He apologized, but he said he was sorry they were pissed at what he said, not that he was sorry for saying it.

I agree with you on that Shadowborn to an extent, though I am still concerned that if they did take it out of context they will funnel that over here instead of heading to Vatican City and knocking on the Pope's door with it.

in times like these, when you are the leader of one of the biggest world powers you have to have some diplomacy. you cant walk around talking shit, even if it is 600 year old shit, if you want the situation to improve. why cause more conflict?

Because we shouldnt have to walk on eggshells while they cut off our peoples heads. They want respect then they need to give it, if they dont they can bend over and prepare ot get fucked. Just as soon as we can get the wussy "waaah we should talk to them" bitches out of the way.

exactly as I expected you dumb shit.... way to be a republican fuck. thats what the world needs more people who want to blow shit up.

comeon yall, kick ass and take names. your no better than the terrorist you fucking imbecile.

Actualy ya fucking limp dicked fried noodle brain, I am vastly superior to the terrorists, see I dont think we should attack people unprovoked, luckily for me though we hav e been provoked often. now I think Islam needs to be made illegal and Radical, and even sympathetic-to-radicals muslims need to be liquidated.

I dont expect you to understand though considering your brain is utterly fucking fried. B ut please keep sucking Clintons cock, and pretending we can solve all of our problems with words. Remember this if anything moron, there is no negotiations with someone whos starting point is your death. Got it yet fuckbrains?

OMG...

you racist/creedist bastard. I hope the hate that burns so brightly within you consumes you to prevent the world from knowing the pain that you must feel every day.

Got the wrong guy boy, you libs are the haters and the ones consumed with pain and anger. I am cool as a cucumber. The fact that I want to destroy Islam and most of its followers is a calm and calculated thought, theres nigh an emotion in it. Almost computer like. If you want you can liken it to as close to pure evil as you will ever see. The fact remains, I will do anything I can to make that come to pass. my greatest comfort though is knowing that while I have a future, this is a slight possibility. You on the other hand of course are doomed to living on the fringes of society as the human trash you are and can do nothing to stop it...lawlz.

And if you want to call me a racist.. which is funny I didnt realize Islam was a race you can. but stick around I can get worse and give you something much better to call me names for. By the way I want to kill white islamists too

I say we take up a collection, hopefully we can raise enough funds to send all of the diplomatic problem solvers in the world to Iran, being that the leaders and people of that nation are interested in none violent conflict resolution there should be no danger and hopefully these diplomats will resolve the current conflict.

There were these barbarians who no one thought were a threat they didnt really care for Roman rule so they sacked there cities

Then there were these rebels who didnt want to pay taxes without representation no one thought they could do anything but they won there independence

There was this guy Hitler and a nation of extremists followers whom everyone laughed off as a non factor, that was of course until the German army invaded France

now there is a moblizing force of muslim exteremists hell bent on our destruction and most of the west thinks there is a peaceful resolution to the problem

it appears that history is gathering for another simliar repatition, once when this has happened before the world end result was postive, it appears that history and the attitude of our enemy would suggest that this time the outcome is not destined to be postive. So would you like to continue to try for a peaceful resolution or would you like to see something done before our enemy finally forces our hand

you know, i hate to admit it, and i don't want to sound like i'm sucking up or anything, but i do thinj billy hit it right on the head. you see, there might be a way to peacefully resolve the conflict. but it would be a quick fix. the only way we can be sure radical islamists aren't around to threaten our way of life anymore is by eliminating them all. not only them, but those that are most likely to become them. afterwards, we need to follow up with government sanctioned book burnings, repression, and whatever is necessary to stomp out islam in a generation. i have nothing against islamists or their religion, in fact, i think islam is in many respects a better religion than christianity (i am neither). but the fact remains that a few douchebags have ruined it for the rest of them. we, as human beings, are morally obligated to save ourselves and then save others. allowing ourselves to be annihilated is the worst possible evil. therefore, we have to get them before they get us. the west has the power to end this, now, in no more than a few generations. the costs of such total global genocide (or would it be religiocide?) may be catastrophic, but the costs of allowing ourselves to be defeated would be far worse. don't trick yourself into thinking that radical islamists wouldn't push a button and kill every non-muslim alive today, if they could. don't fantasize about moderate muslims shedding a single tear over our bodies. they are the real losers, however, because they did nothing wrong but must suffer the consequences of the actions of those representing their religion. end of story. billy the kidd, i salute you, and everybody else, hopefully my little hate speech will prove more convincing...

Yeah, that's brilliant. Have you even thought about the affect a strategy like that would have? I mean seriously thought about it? Trying to apply the same methods that we used to win the Second World War or the Revolution won't work because we were fighting a clearly defined group; In this case we are effectively declaring war against an element that will not define itself as easily: If you killed a Nazi during World War Two; only the Nazi regime would have retaliated against you.
In the Iraq War, if you kill a Terrorist (All well and good by the way); after bombing his village. His neighbor down the street might start to wonder if maybe he had been right about hating and fighting against the American's; especially if he personally has just lost his Wife and Children in the bombing.
Do you understand what I mean now? At all? That is why I am argueing against those kinds of mindless, indescriminate acts. In this circumstance; Trying to stop extremist actions with only the most extremist measures isn't going to change anything. It will only give rise to more of the same.

I Hate to state this Billy but your ideas are not at all original, well thought out or intelligent.

whoa man, think for a second about what you're saying. can you prove any of that? what you say sounds like philosophy and has the same sort of feel, but you're really just regurgitating ideas that have worked in the past. people have always argued against war and slaughter and no-holds-barred fighting. it's not a happy place to go. but i have to ask myself if you're not living in the past? we don't live in a perfect, idealized world where we can know whether what we do now is right or wrong. your condescension is almost laughable, your moral points are outdated fairy tales, and your logic is full of holes. you say that extremism only breeds extremism, which up to a certain point may be true, but annihilation does not breed annihilation. by annihilating the current and possible future causes of any given problem, if executed flawlessly, eliminates the problem. if it isn't done perfectly, the problem will be drastically reduced. surely you can't argue that if every muslim died today that there would still be as much of a threat of islamic terrorists groups? sir, i commend you for proving that if one really thinks hard enough about anything that he always arrives at what he originally knew to be true. what's the value of a human life? we're animals. all we can try to do is help ourselves. by any means necessary. i'd imagine it's nearly impossible to prove the value of someone's life with respect to your own safety. our safety must come first. and the fact remains that today as an american i am much more likely to die at the hands of an islamic terrorist than ever before. no other group threatens me in a similar fashion. i say kill them. and if other muslims may convert to extremism, they should be summarily terminated as well, not because they did anything wrong, but as a precaution. the world's a sad, damnable place, but we can decide who gets the worst of it.