I'm bored...so here's something you can discuss, with or without me. :p

There is much misconception about karma and exactly how it operates. Many new age teachers have brought this information to an enquiring audience but it has been tainted by that age old challenge to consciousness raising, fear. Each and every one of you has free will, freedom to choose how to grow. You may choose to grow with joy, or alternatively, through pain, anguish and fear. The law of karma is not a justice and retribution system, so anyone who has had much suffering in this life is not a victim of 'bad karma', but simply finds themselves in predicaments that are simply the result of their own beliefs about themselves. It is not only humans that feel guilt, but souls can feel it, experience and carry it round with them for many lifetimes.

For example, if a person should murder another human being, it is not the deed in itself that attracts the karma, it is the emotional state and the beliefs about him/herself that led to the act of murder that will create the karma, or result, at a future date. Be that date in the current or a future life.

any comments, thoughts, etc?

I agree so I`m no use here.:p

at least you tried, sweetie...

if I didn't post anything I'd wind up getting in bed and be thinking about it untill.... well let's just say that I'd be thinking about it until I came back upstairs and started up the computer again...

Well this whole Karma thing is really REALLY confusing... and that's why I like it. I'd have to agree with most points in that statment up there, but to shed a little of my own thought on the subject. I think that there really isn't such a thing as bad or good Karma... Karma simply is, and whether it is inturpreted as good or bad is completely up to the spirit... if something makes it feel like you completed something, or filled a hole in your soul, then it would be inturpreted as good, but not neccicarily to some one else... I think that there is one big lump of Karma, in existance, and in order to have Karma you do something and in having Karma you fill the hole...

God I hope that made sense to some one other than me... wait it didn't really make sense to me either... oh well

Hmm Clearwitch will my Karma effect my aura at all or is the aura just a short term reading of a person`s mood/actions etc?

im no expert at auras, i cant see them myself. but what ive been told is that the aura is constantly changing, due to your mood etc, like you said. but some colors in it is more consistant, they dont change as often. they symbolize your base personality, your karma etc. so to a certain degree, you could say yes, you can see the karma in your aura. those consistant colors may also change through your life, as your personality changes and your karmic debt increases or decreases.

I've heard of Karma, and i have thought about it, mostly.
Karma is, to me, just a way of marking the changes and the lives we all go though...it's true, because emotions are a BIG part of the lives we lead...And by the way, a thought here. If there is a thing as reincarnation, as i believe there is, didn't we just created our own history? And now strive to learn it already? Heh...Like time travel. But then, i'm a jungle predator stuck in a stupid human's body! I need to return to the wilds of my home!
*Sighs.*

>^..^<

so once again the only real growth is spiritual/emotional....

am i getting that right?

No, it's not that. You're wrong, angelfishy. Wait a moment. You're a FISH?! Hmmm...I think it's really time for me to eat...
Eh, nevermind. No, the growths must be physical and mental as well as spiritual and emotional. I am damned well an old soul because I know this instinctively, without anyone even telling me. I may be only seventeen, but I am older than I seem mentally and emotionally. And that includes my spiritual self as well.
I am Evil.

>^..^<

Yeah, basically...but apparently we don't learn it very well, since we often do the same mistakes over and over. I think knowing about your past lives is a great help, it makes it easier to learn from the past and move on.

I heard one theory, but it's a long time ago and I don't remember it all. But basically, it has to do with the fact that we only use a small part of our brain, no-one knows what is stored in the rest of it. It is believed among some that our past lives, all of them, are stored in the rest. That makes sense to me, at least.

Someone else talked about 'collective memory', which means theres a 'memory bank', where every thought ever thought is stored. It should be theoretically possible to tap into this memory, and then, still theoretically, get access to anyone's mind...scary, huh?

Once it's been proven it's no longer a theory

It's not really access to everyones mind it's more like the SETI at home project, you just use the parts of their brains that they're not using. Accessing to someones conscious mind is verrrry dangerous and painful, even if they allow you to do it they will snap up defences as a reflex action and you can't get out until they relax, which is pretty hard for them to do while you're thrashing around in agony.

But after all, it's just a theory

Feroluce: that wasn't excactly what I meant...I was a bit unclear up there. What I meant by 'collective memory' wasn't the ability to poke into other peoples minds, but more a thought that all minds are linked together into a sort of cosmic conciousness. By tapping into this conciousness, you can access the knowledge and experiences of every man ever born...A bit far-fetched for my simple mind, but still an acknowldged theory among certain groups of new agers.

I've tried entering anothers mind, voluntarily on both parts, and it wasn't a pleasant experience. There are some things you'd rather not know...

Don't get me wrong, I know exactly what you meant..

I can't really talk about this now (going home time) but you're right it is a scary thought that this theory could be true but it's even scarier that I know for a fact that it's not a theory..

Anyway I'm off to battle the rushhour traffic..

Collective unconscious. A structural layer of the human psyche containing inherited elements, distinct from the personal unconscious. (See also archetype and archetypal image.)

The collective unconscious contains the whole spiritual heritage of mankind's evolution, born anew in the brain structure of every individual.[The Structure of the Psyche," CW 8, par. 342.]

Jung derived his theory of the collective unconscious from the ubiquity of psychological phenomena that could not be explained on the basis of personal experience. Unconscious fantasy activity, for instance, falls into two categories.

First, fantasies (including dreams) of a personal character, which go back unquestionably to personal experiences, things forgotten or repressed, and can thus be completely explained by individual anamnesis. Second, fantasies (including dreams) of an impersonal character, which cannot be reduced to experiences in the individual's past, and thus cannot be explained as something individually acquired. These fantasy-images undoubtedly have their closest analogues in mythological types. . . . These cases are so numerous that we are obliged to assume the existence of a collective psychic substratum. I have called this the collective unconscious.[The Psychology of the Child Archetype," CW 9i, par. 262.]

The collective unconscious-so far as we can say anything about it at all-appears to consist of mythological motifs or primordial images, for which reason the myths of all nations are its real exponents. In fact, the whole of mythology could be taken as a sort of projection of the collective unconscious. . . . We can therefore study the collective unconscious in two ways, either in mythology or in the analysis of the individual.["The Structure of the Psyche," CW 8, par. 325.]

The more one becomes aware of the contents of the personal unconscious, the more is revealed of the rich layer of images and motifs that comprise the collective unconscious. This has the effect of enlarging the personality.

In this way there arises a consciousness which is no longer imprisoned in the petty, oversensitive, personal world of the ego, but participates freely in the wider world of objective interests. This widened consciousness is no longer that touchy, egotistical bundle of personal wishes, fears, hopes, and ambitions which always has to be compensated or corrected by unconscious counter-tendencies; instead, it is a function of relationship to the world of objects, bringing the individual into absolute, binding, and indissoluble communion with the world at large.[The Function of the Unconscious," CW 7, par. 275.]

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Woodey Allen "quote for the moment": "I cheated in a Metaphysical exam, by looking into the mind of the person next to me..."

Umm Know for a fact... how so... please elaborate... and illuminate us...
The Over-Mind Theory is just that a theory....
No more and certainly no less..
an interesting one I must admit...
though I for one would not like to delve into the filth that would pervade a Human Mind..... gah...

yeah, for the most part human minds are nasty dark places i'd rather not be...
the best thing to do is find some you can get along with and settle down in the warm comforting squishiness..

So karma is really just personal guilt about your decisions? i like that...

Actually i have heard an alternate theory that may be linked to karma things, but i forget where i got it.. that you can acces just your knowledge from past lives, one you admit to yourself that you can know all things..


"not knowing everything is all that makes it okay sometimes..." -Lady Delirium

5a: I'll need to read your post a few m,ore times, at an earlier time of the day to get it all, but does that include DNA memory?

angel: hmm...I'll have to check up on that one...but I know it's possible to find your past life through hypnosis..possibly meditation too, and that's basically the method you mentioned, right? Basically just unblock the memories...fascinating.

Yes, I think it includes everything... All possible historical biological and emotional records... It's all the Jungian stuff, lots of people thought he was crazy though so draw your own conclusions...

I've had a few experiences with DNA memories popping back up. confusing stuff.