Fiddle-faddle. lol.

Intellegent design requires a certain amount of pragmatism. I never really bother myself with the infinitives but consider, it works doesn't it?
Consider we are human built to do whatever it is we are supposed to do, octopi require the better eye design becuase it suited for their enviroment, just like the eagle has the eye best suited for it, humans don't need to be able to see for miles and through reflective surfaces. Consider the knee it looks like crap seems like it was made by a drunken engineer but it works, seems like a tab with a small hammer should damage it but its actually quite strong, and it design has its advantages.
As to the rest of it. I am not certian that there is intelligent life on THIS plante so I am not sure we are qualified to discuss the mental abilities of other conciousness.

he's made mistakes, he's apologized and promised to not make those mistakes, and has taken steps to give us, gifts of that promise...

as for evolution, i can follow through the evolution of primates to man to...whatever we've become, but at the same time something happened that seperated us from the neanderthals, at one point we were equal...and from the skulls they've found of neanderthals some have said that by design neanderthals with the bigger brain should have come out on top...

before primitive man climbed into caves, we were no different than the neanderthals pounding rocks into crude instruments, but at some point we climed into caves and after a while came out of the caves with art, creativity and a plethora of gods and spirits surrounding us...

maybe firelight did funny things to our brains, maybe there was something special in that wood...or maybe some supreme beign wanted to stir a science expirement, no one knows, that's what makes these arguements so delightfully entertaining...

we're the only mammals to have developed consciously usable intelligence...if it's strictly cold, hard science...why haven't other animals developed the same senses as we do (some have been around longer than homsapiens)allowing us to thrive anywhere(even an ice age that eliminated entire species) rather than being customised for specific environments, and failing if we're removed from them, or they're removed from us?

what happened in those caves that made us the capable forces of chaos and destruction we are now rather than an extinct species being glued together by the descendents of dinosaurs?

Behold, the athiest's nightmare: the banana! Tremble, athiests!

http://www.filecabi.net/video/godsbannanahs.html

I laughed so hard at that. That guy is a total tool.

Are you guys completely retarded in the head? I realize that Western society shoves the concept down your throat that being fair and unbiased means always saying both sides are equally right, but fuck yourselves, seriously. Saying that the theory of evolution stands on equally shaky ground with creationism is bullshit. Evolution has holes and issues in it's theory. It also has multiple supporting evidences all over the world and in our findings and is logically and internally consistent, and not a creative attempt to justify three thousand year old writings without a shred of outside support. The very title of this thread is a testament to the bullshit. What debate? All creationists ever do is try to attack minute and irrelevant details in the larger theory of evolution and point out that we don't have first handed videotaped recordings of amoeba turning into dinosaurs. They never have any actual arguments or postulates of their own.

only you shadowborn.
it's creative rationalization.

Yeah they do. "The Bible Says So" The creationists answer to every question.

I don't know, I thought the banana guy had a well prepared argument. Granted, it's full of fallacies, but at least it was entertaining.

Now, intelligent design, that's at least a level of creationism that attempts to support its argument with scientific (or pseudo-scientific) evidence.

You can say it's not a real debate, but it has to be...look at what they're trying to do to the Kansas school system. That's a problem. When you've got people attempting to say that they're religious beliefs deserve equal time in science textbooks, then an argument must ensue.

The thing is, you never see anyone attempting to replace evolutionary theory with...oh, I don't know...Hindu creationism. Why is that?

The major argument against his little performance (and a big spotlight on his ignorance) is that you can't just go into a jungle in southeast Asia, pick any banana and eat it. They're poisonous (well, specifically, the seeds are, and unlike the monkeys, we can't remove the seeds reliably.) Pretty much blows the whole "God made the banana just for us to eat" argument, eh?

Western Men aren't known for their skills in the sack?

i think evolution sounds more plausible than creationism, as i've stated before... plus, isn't creationism (and religion, for that matter) just a sort of cop-out way of saying "it's just like that because... because!"
at least evolution's got the right idea.

evolution may have the right idea, but it still can't explain why we excelled where creatures with larger brains and better built bodies could not...what made a form of primate, more than just another simple problem solving ape?

even gorillas can communicate with simple sign language, but are still a lesser creature than we are, where's the link that shows that jump in hominidae intelligence?

i've been coming up with some, interesting discoveries concerning the differences between men of various countries that could explain this...tantalizing evolutionary aspect of the human male, a picture is worth a thousand words...in this case three; hormone injected beef.

The greatest mistake of modern Christianity is that they place evolution directly upon sciences doorstep. Why must this be so. Could God have not created evolution so his creations would have room to grow and improve. Modern Christians are sorely lacking certain insights. Angels evolve. Lucifer was Gods' right hand Angel until the evolution of his thoughts which begged Him to ask why. It is for asking why that the Eternal War began.

God, for all of His luminous intentions and thoughts lacks the very same insights as you humans.

I'm no researcher or scientist, but you have to admit that what caused the jump in human intelligence may have simply been coincidence. A right-place-right-time scenario which allowed the ape to pick up a tool or stay warm by a fire or whatever the hell it was. Of course humanity is intrinsically very very arrogant, and they want to feel as if our existance MEANS something, the idea that we exist only by happenstance is insulting to most people.

happenstance maybe, i don't mind the thought that we're just lucky monkeys...sort of puts things in perspective, but i'd still like to know what triggered that intelligence...

until than all this debate comes down to is personal belief, some scattered bones, broken tools and theory.

sort of daunting i suppose, thinking about how fascinating prehistorical man was, what they achieved with so litte...advanced knowledges.

yay promethius.

Actually it does. The development of the frontal lobes is what made us... well us. I feel no better or worse than other animals, or plants for that matter, afterall its just a matter of biology. Natural Selection and all that. Why we needed to develop them though I have no idea.

i personally think we it is all random and that our intelligence seems different to us but we're just biased and if we could really understand what thought really was we'd just add another chapter to biology books and have 5th graders studying it. i mean, it seems complicated, but everything does until we understand what's going on.

I don't understand this comment.
Science agrees that animals... creatures... both think and feel. Nature does not after all deal in automatons. Even plants are siad to be at least be able to be physically if not emotionally stimulated which means that they have some form of intelligence.
If people don't think that animals are intelligent and concious well that says more about them than anything else. Robot mentalities.