evolution says that the world and human beings were formed out of nothing.
now, take something, anything, around you and look at it. i'm going to take a pencil.
this pencil has six sides on the long part. an eraser. lead through the middle. and it's painted black.
do you think that this pencil could form itself out of nothing into the useful thing that it is? no.
now just think how much more complex the human body is.

Well, technically evolution doesn't necessarily say that we came from nothing, but says that we evolved from a previous form.

Many creationists flip out when you mention Darwin, but in fact all Darwin was saying is that creatures adapt to their environment. Which is true. You can see that now. (Though I'm not quite sure what adaptations were necessary to form the duck billed platypus. *grin*)

I don't believe that we came from monkeys, nor do I believe that we just randomly started. I do believe we were created by god, but I also believe that we were created to evolve.

I don't think we looked like what we do now, however many billions of years ago we first got here. The world has changed since then, and the only way humanity could have survived it was to adapt.

Sure, we may have started via the big bang, but it's not a completely unheard of idea that a god started the whole bang.

I find it a more awesome concept that we started from something else and came to be what we are today, instead of god just going *boom* and we all are here.

Actually, if you apply the rest of commonly accepted Physics to it, then Evolution means we all came from one single source that is all power, time, matter, and energy in one infinitely dense point, i.e. the Big Bang.

Evolution does not say that something came out of nothing. We came out of smaller organisms, which came from acids or something, which came from matter . . .

if you believe that God created people and the world and everything, why don't you believe in the word of God? it clearly states in genesis that God created the world from nothing. all He had to do was speak and it was so.
ok whatever. not read this...

that came from a book called "know why you believe" by paul e. little.

excuse me shadow burn? where did the smaller organisms come from? the acics? the matter? you don't have any idea what you are talking about.

It's quite simple to believe that god created the world, and yet not believe the word of god to be 100% accurate. (I believe many parts of it are accurate, but certainly not all of it.)

When god made the world, supposedly it was just him and no one else. In other words, man wasn't there to screw it up.

With the bible, man is running rampant on the earth injecting their own prejudices into everything. Or, screwing things up.

Hense my belief that the bible is biased in many places and therefore not 100% accurate.

okay. when God first created adam and eve, they were perfect. but then satan came around and caused eve to sin and screwed everything up. everything went downhill from there. one sin leads to another. now man is not perfect and will never be again until heaven.

I agree with seven7seven......by the way....... is all those 7's b/c the perfect number?

thanks, and yeah. something like that. 666 is satans number. and God is higher than satan. so 777. it's a christian thing.

Yeah, I know, I'm a Christian.

oook. cool.

Shouldn't you be asking where exactly God came from, if indeed he does exist, or perhaps where the energy came from that helped cause the big bang... seeing as energy can neither be created nor destroyed, just changed.

where God came from...


To begin with, consider the law of cause and effect. No effect can be produced without a cause. There's a note in your door. Someone put it there. The painting on the wall, someone drew it. Nothing comes from nothing! We as human beings and the universe itself are effects that must have had a cause. We come eventually to an uncaused cause, who is God.

The noted skeptic Bertrand Russell makes an astounding statement in his Why I Am Not a Christian. He says that when he was a child, "God" was given him as the answer to the many questions he raised about existence. In desperation he asked, "Well, who created God?" When no answer was forthcoming, he says, "My entire faith collapsed." Unfortunately, his is a common experience, yet it fails to answer the burning question.

God, the Creator, the Beginner, by definition is eternal. He is uncreated. He is self-existent. Were God a created being, he would not be a cause, he would be an effect. He would not and could not be God.

R. C. Sproul, author and lecturer, explains, "Being eternal, God is not an effect. Since he is not an effect, he does not require a cause. He is uncaused. It is important to note the difference between an uncaused, self-existent eternal being and an effect that causes itself through self-creation."

*******Paul E. Little




as for the energy... God can do anything. if the big bang was indeed the way the world was created, then he could produce the energy. but, that is not the case. God created the earth from nothing. he spoke and it was.

His words created earth eh? Then the words themselves contained the energy required to start it. Where did the energy come from?

As you stated, God would be uncaused, so he would be self-existant, but how can something with such great omnipotent power come into existence on it's own? It can't. Or at least so far it is impossible to prove whether or not it can or can not.

Therefore our own society is unready to know if God is uncause or whatnot, so this means that we can't even decipher if the world itself was created by energy produced from a mouth of something, or if it created itself, much like god would normally create itself.

So as you can see, the religions of our world make no sense, so they can't be proven or disproved. Because of that I'm on the fence, and quite proud of being there, since I can look happily at things stated by people and then laugh when I see something stupid, or be happy when I see something smart.

By the way, seven7seven, it's nice to see you saying what others have said, but it is also annoying since it causes me to believe that you can't think on your own.

God is God. no one knows how He is just there. but if He was created, then he wouldn't be God.
If God can't be self-existent, then the world certainly couldn't have created itself.

this society is ready. if it wasn't then there wouldn't be so many people who believe it. you just refuse to.

i can think of stuff on my own. almost every single thing i post is my own words. i just happened to be quoting in this thread. what's the point of re wording something that has already been said perfectly?

Wrong.

God is god because he supposedly created us. If he was created by another, he would still be our god, or at least the Catholic/christian god.

your a dumbass. now think of a creator who created the human body and everything else in existence and your argument shatters, like the faith of so many that have taken the time to view them selves from the outside. do you think your GOD would be smarter then you? do you think your GOD would be more complex? i mean to be able to create something so intricate like our minds, wouldn't he have to have structured thought? wouldn't his mind obviously have intellect and complexity? i mean how the hell did it get here? don't you think your screwing god over. he's sitting on his cloud wondering where he came from. "how did i get here?" he asks himself. and the only answer you leave him is that he's always been here. and it makes no sense to say someone created us because we are complex. a creator would be far more complex then it's creation, inturn pointing to the signs of a creator for him, and it would go on and on and on. it would be illogical to say "look at us, how can we not have come from a creator?"

this is an awful argument. science has not conquered the highest peak. and theologins lay at the rock bottom of the mountain. they just adorn themselves with paintings and mock backgrounds of the mountain top. the funny thing is that dumb paul here makes my point for me with his dillusional ideas of knowing what is because his relilgion tells him and nothing else. it is rather absurd. some people value truth, and when they don't find it, they don't make up pretty lies to make themselves feel better about the infinite existence they belong too. i guess they fear feeling unimportant.

uh, no dark. you obviously don't understand.